Tyent and Life water ionizer companies have now come out with 9-plate water ionizers. Is a 9-plate water ionizer better than a 7-plate water ionizer? It has been a long, long time since I’ve completely trusted what water ionizer companies say about themselves. Even when I think their water ionizers are great, I have found that all too many times the “facts” I am given by the companies, themselves, are exagerated. I do my own testing, because only then can I see for myself what really is the truth about any particular water ionizer. I did a series of tests on both the 7070 Tyent Turbo and the 9090 Tyent Turbo Extreme, to determine if the 9090 Turbo Extreme was actually better than the 7070 Turbo. My prediction was that there would be noticable differences and that those differences would be in the area of the ability of the 9-plate water ionizer to get a faster flow rate. However, what I found was…

There is negligible, if any difference between the performance of the two water ionizers.

Here are the videos… [Note: I was unable to test the 7070 Tyent Turbo directly against the 9090 Tyent Turbo Extreme, because I only had one set of filters. So, I tested each against the Athena...to improve the accuracy and reliability of the testing.

In this first video, I'm testing the Tyent 7070 Turbo water ionizer against the Jupiter Athena water ionizer.

 

In this 2nd video, I'm testing the Tyent 9090 Turbo Extreme water ionizer against the Jupiter Athena water ionizer.

 

In this 3rd video, I'm testing the Tyent 9090 Turbo Extreme water ionizer against the Athena water ionizer at a fast flow rate.

Analysis:

Based on the information in the videos, above, I have constructed some charts, below. My analysis is that the Athena and Tyent 7070 are fairly well tied, and so are the Athena and Tyent 9090 Turbo water ionizers. There is negligible difference between the outcome of the Tyent 7070 Turbo water ionizer and the Tyent 9090 Turbo Extreme water ionizer.

Tyent 7070 vs Athena Water Ionizer Comparison

           

Tyent 7070

Athena

Level 1pH/ORP

9.2/+37

9.3/-33

Better

Level 2pH/ORP

9.8/-166

10.1/-626

Better

Level 3pH/ORP

10.5/-782

Better

11.1/-820

Level 4pH/ORP

11/-796

11.2/-820

Better

Low Acid

2.2

Better

2.3

 Tyent 9090 vs Athena Water Ionizer Comparison

           

Tyent 9090

Athena

Level 1pH/ORP

10.1/-117

9.8/-48

Better

Level 2pH/ORP

10.8/-558

Better

10.5/-290

Level 3pH/ORP

11.3/-800

11.2/-810

Better

Level 4pH/ORP

11.5/-815

Better

11.4/-826

Low Acid

2.4

2.2

Better

 Tyent 9090 vs Athena Water Ionizer at Fast Flow!

           

Tyent

Athena

Level 1pH/ORP

9.2/+37

9.3/-33

Better

Level 2pH/ORP

9.8/-166

10.1/-626

Better

Level 3pH/ORP

10.5/-782

Better

11.1/-820

Level 4pH/ORP

11/-796

11.2/-820

Better

Low Acid

2.2

Better

2.3

 In some further testing [I'll have to find the video], I found the following: The Athena water ionizer’s performance fell off at the “Fast” flow rate [when it reached over a 2 liters per min.] The Tyent 9090 fell off too, but not as much. So, I suppose that if you were looking for a faster flowing water ionizer, it would be better to have the Tyent 9090. Here are the results:

Tyent 9090 vs Athena Water Ionizer at Level 3 with Slow, Medium and Fast Flow Rates!

           

Tyent 9090

Athena

Slow

11/-796

11/-782

Medium

11.2/-790

10.8/-745

Fast

10.8/-480

10.4/-127

So, what can be learned?

When it comes to water ionizers… Bigger is not necessarily better & more is not necessarily better either.

However, it is clear that all three of the water ionizers tested were of exceptional ability to ionize!

After over 16 years of drinking alkaline ionized water, I can say with conviction that the very best present I could give to myself or a loved one is a WATER IONIZER!  Give yourself the gift of health this year! And…  

Have a great holiday season!

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About a month ago I did a series of water ionizer comparison testing, between the Jupiter Athena water ionizer, Jupiter Melody water ionizer, Tyent Turbo water ionizer, Enagic Kangen Water [SD 501] and the Chanson Miracle water ionizer. I’m summarizing those results and also expanding my comparisons of these water ionizers, so you can see and compare every aspect of these water ionizers all in one spot.

One of the number one things I hear from customers is how confused they are when it comes to figuring out which water ionizer to buy.

This article will hopefully shed some light of truth on the subject of water ionizer comparisons. While it is just one more series of water ionizer comparison testing, it is pretty comprehensive in that every level of each water ionizer was tested…not just the strongest level.

I have constructed a master chart to help demonstrate the ORP results for each water ionizer in ordered pH intervals. I was hoping that looking at it this way, a pattern might emerge.

Why is ORP so important?

ORP is the antioxidant value of the ionized water. This is where your ionized water provides you with large quantities of free-radical scavengers to bond with free radicals in your blood and cells and theoretically prevent all kinds of damage to your cells. Note: It is only in the first few hours after pouring ionized water that you get these highest levels of ORP. I have literally seen spider veins disappear from my legs when I drank ionized water with the highest levels of ORP. Since I can only comfortably drink up to about a  10.5 pH, I, personally, want the level of pH I drink at to have the most ORP it can.

Note: Here, in St. Louis, my source water’s pH is high to begin with. Based on other water ionizer comparison tests done in many areas around the country, I predict that the ORP where you live will probably reach similar results to St. Louis, and that your pH will not be as high as it is here, in St. Louis.

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Water Ionizers Compared: ORP Results vs. PH Levels

pH

Jupiter Athena

Jupiter Melody

Genesis Platinum

& KYK

Tyent Turbo

Enagic SD501

Chanson Miracle

9.6

+3

-330

-91

+32

 

 

9.8

 

-745

-170

 

 

 

10

-90

-745

 

-737

-70

 

10.2

 

 

 

 

-155

-69

10.4

-230

-710

-766

-783

 

-755

 

 

10.6

 

 

-778

 

-600

-780

-171

10.8

-780

-803

 

-800

 

 

11

-817

 

 

 

-809

-800

-805

-797

I can honestly say that these water ionizers are all very close! If there is an overall winner to see…

I’d say it might be the Jupiter Melody!

I am surprised at the strength of the Jupiter Melody water ionizer! The Melody is a 5-plate water ionizer competing head on amongst 7-plate &/or more expensive water ionizers and it might even have emerged as an overall winner!

Note:  All of the water ionizer comparisons, videos and test results [for the water ionizer "Face-Off" comparisons]  are cited at the bottom of this post for easy reference.

The reason I’m surprised by the strong results for the Jupiter Melody water ionizer testing is that usually the Jupiter Athena’s results are better than the Melody. Also usually the Tyent Turbo and the Enagic are better than the Jupiter Melody as well. But in this series of tests, it’s not clear who the winner is, and it sure is clear that the Melody looks pretty darn good. It’s right up there, close to equal in some levels – better in others. And that’s against the traditional winners [the Athena, Tyent and Enagic]. You can’t take one set of tests as proof, but it does fit in somewhere as part of an overall picture.

These are clearly all good water ionizers, and that is probably all that these results prove.

There are other things to consider when purchasing a water ionizer, and sometimes [just like in buying a car] those extra features may be what makes or breaks the deal for you. For the features I think are the most important, I’ve listed the ionizers in order of best to worst [left to right], below. I’ve also put the features in order of how important I think they are. Keep in mind, just like in buying a car, the opinions of “best” and “most important” will naturally vary.

Warranty: Tyent , Jupiter , Chanson , KYK , Enagic
Filtration:  Jupiter, KYK, Tyent, Chanson, Enagic
Internal Plate Cleaning: Jupiter, KYK, Chanson, Tyent, Enagic
Certifications & Known Knowledge about the Ionizer: Jupiter, Enagic, KYK, Chanson, Tyent
Cost: Melody, KYK, Chanson, Tyent, Enagic
Ease of Use: Jupiter, Enagic, Tyent, Chanson, KYK
Ability to Install Undersink?  Only Jupiter
Has a Mineral Port? Jupiter, Enagic, Chanson
Lowest Acid Water: Enagic, Tyent, Chanson, Jupiter, KYK

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After over 18 years of drinking alkaline ionized water, I can say with conviction that the very best present I could give to myself or a loved one is a WATER IONIZER!  Give yourself the gift of health this year! And…

Have a great holiday season!

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References:

  1. The Tyent vs. the Enagic …got a near tie between the two water ionizers but Tyent won. http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/2010/10/22/water-ionizer-competition-1/ 
  2. The Melody vs the Enagic …got a near tie [Enagic only a little better] between the two water ionizers. http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/2010/10/26/enagic-kangen-vs-jupiter-melody-water-ionizers/
  3. The Tyent Turbo vs the Chanson Miracle …Tyent was the winner.  http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/2010/10/29/tyent-turbo-vs-chanson-miracle-water-ionizers/
  4. The Enagic Kangen Water Ionizer [SD501] vs the Jupiter Athena …got a near tie [Athena a bit better]… http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/2010/11/02/enagic-kangen-water-vs-jupiter-athena-water-ionizers/
  5. KYK Generation II vs. Jupiter Melody Water Ionizers …The Jupiter Melody was the winner … http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/2010/11/04/kyk-vs-jupiter-melody-water-ionizers/ 

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Is the Enagic $3800. Water Ionizer the best water ionizer there is?

No. There are many comparible water ionizers [such as the Jupiter Melody as you can see in the demonstrations in this article] and some that are better than the Enagic Kangen water [such as the Athena and Tyent Turbo as you can see in previous demonstrations], so No, Enagic is not the best there is. It’s a good, even great, water ionizer though, so I have no intention to down-grade it. However, I have tested and used these, and many other water ionizers, for years, and that’s why I simply know. I know the truth of the ionizers compared, and so when I hear stories from MLMers that the Enagic water ionizer is like no other or better than all others I will know there is a lie somewhere. I always ask, “in what way is the Enagic claimed to be better?” The answers I have heard are amazing to me, because they are based on hear-say only. One MLMer tells their downline, and they tell their downline, and they tell everyone they see. When asked for specifics, I’ll hear things like “better ORP” or “the ORP lasts longer”. I’ve actually tested and used these water ionizers, and though I would consider the Jupiter Melody a little bit less quality ORP than the Enagic, they are very close as you can see compared here.

Which water ioizer will hold its ORP the longest?

That is what I’m testing in today’s post. I have done a series of water ionizer comparisons which you can see below [the videos, charts and summaries for each set of tests]. I tested the ionized water immediately after pouring it as “Enagic-Melody-Comparison-1″. Then after an hour and 13 min. I tested all levels again [Enagic-Melody-Comparison-2]. Then continued to test at intervals and you can see for yourself that the ORP dropped at the same rate [I mean identical] for each water ionizer.

Another important piece of information you can learn from this post is …

How long will ionized water stay ionized?

This is a great question, and the answer is that the pH will last for a pretty long time [if sealed in a good container], but even sealed in the best container, the ORP will drop significantly after an hour at levels 1 and 2. It will drop significantly after 3 hours for levels 3 and 4. Therefore, my advice to anyone is to try to drink your ionized water fresh. The idea of storing it for days is fine if that’s all you can do, but I really, strongly advise you to just bite the bullet and buy your own water ionizer.

Enagic-Melody-Comparison-1
Test 1: Tested Immediately After Pouring
Timestamp: 5:48 PM 11/17/10
           

Enagic

Melody

Level 1pH/ORP

10.1/-404

9.8/-339

Level 2pH/ORP

11.1/-738

10.4/-653

Level 3pH/ORP

11.4/-797

10.8/-753

Level 4pH/ORP

11.4/-801

11.0/-779

Acid

2.2

2.4

Enagic-Melody-Comparison-2
Test 2: Tested 1 hr. 13 min. After Pouring
Timestamp: 7:01 PM  11/17/10
           

Enagic

Melody

Level 1pH/ORP

9.5/-191

9.6/-185

Level 2pH/ORP

11/-250

10.4/-190

Level 3pH/ORP

11.2/-701

10.8/-624

Level 4pH/ORP

11.3/-735

11.0/-665

Acid

2.2

2.4

Enagic-Melody-Comparison-3
Test 3: Tested 3 hr. 33 min. After Pouring
Timestamp: 9:21 PM   11/17/10
           

Enagic

Melody

Level 1pH/ORP

9.5/-145

9.5/-137

Level 2pH/ORP

10.7/-156

10.3/-154

Level 3pH/ORP

11.0/-200

10.7/-161

Level 4pH/ORP

11.1/-200

10.9/-186

Acid

2.2

2.4

Enagic-Melody-Comparison-4
Test 4: Tested 15 hrs. After Pouring
Timestamp: 8:50 AM   11/18/10
           

Enagic

Melody

Level 1pH/ORP

9.7/-104

9.7/-96

Level 2pH/ORP

10.7/-106

10.3/-98

Level 3pH/ORP

11.0/-130

10.7/-104

Level 4pH/ORP

11.2/-139

10.9/-120

enagic-melody-after-24hrs
Test 5: Tested 24+ hrs. After Pouring
Timestamp: 8:17 PM   11/18/10
           

Enagic

Melody

Level 1pH/ORP

9.3/-80

9.5/-76

Level 2pH/ORP

10.6/-97

10.3/-70

Level 3pH/ORP

11.0/-102

10.7/-73

Level 4pH/ORP

11.1/-124

10.9/-90

 

How else do the Melody and Enagic compare? This is important to LOOK at, because you can literally buy 3 Melodies for the price of one Enagic! Melody water ionizers also have a lifetime warranty on parts [vs. Enagic's 5-year warranty], so take a look at the other comparisons. You can see that in many ways, the Melody is a better water ionizer than the Enagic, and in some ways the Enagic is better. But they are both great, reputable water ionizers from very good and trustworthy manufacturers.

  Melody LeveLukSD501

Price

$1,395.

$3,980

How many ways can you install it?

3 options: countertop with diverter from tap; undersink with kit; countertop with direct line

To tap with diverter only or you can buy an external flow control knob.

Warranty

Lifetime Warranty on all Parts! 5 year FULL labor & Lifetime Limited Labor. 

5 year
Parts & Labor

Satisfaction Guarantee

60 Day

None…3-Day Return if Unused…otherwise fees Apply

Shipping

Free

$18

Year Manuf. Established

1974

1976

Year Established in USA

1996

2004

Research Facility Location

Japan

Japan

Factory

Korea…Assembly-Line

Japan…Assembled by One Person (By Hand)

The manufacturer

28+ years …1986

7+ years …1988

Highly Certified…Including, ISO9001 & 14001, UL and CE

Highly Certified…Including, ISO9001 & 14001, UL and CE

Reno NV, New Fairfield CT, Edmonton Canada

Hermosa Beach, CA

Electrode Plate Information

5

7

Standard flat Plate

Standard flat Plate

Electroplating

Dipped

Emco Tech / Japan

Enagic / Japan

Cleaning System / frequency / convenience

Automatic Cleaning [No Waiting] When finished …each time used.

Simple Reverse Polarity / 30 seconds every 15 gals

Continuous cleaning: no cartridge needed

Must use cleaning cartridges 

Filtration Features

.1Micron / .01Micron

.1Micron

 

GAC, Super Carbon, with  Tourmaline

Carbon with Calcium Sulfite

 

Filter counter lets you know when to change filter

Must remember or estimate when filter needs changing.

 

$79 / $89

$145

Electrical Power

Transformer

Transformer

110w / .5amps

230w / 2.5amps

 
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Today I compared two middle-priced water ionizers, the KYK water ionizer vs Jupiter Melody water ionizer. The KYK  water ionizer is programmable, so I set it to the highest possible settings. Even so, the KYK water ionizer still did not compare as well as the Jupiter Melody water ionizer, but they were close.

You can see the videos, followed by the charts and commentaries here. The first two videos are when I compared the two water ionizers prior to customizing the programmable settings. The results were poor for the KYK, so I reprogrammed it to be set at the highest possible settings for each level. Then the last two videos show the reprogramming followed by the 2nd set of tests.

 

 

KYK at default settings

11/4/ KYK/Melody-1 KYK Melody
Level 1

8.6/+84

9.0/-330 Better

Level 2

8.9/+38

9.8/-745 Better

Level  3

9.6/-91

10.4/-783 Better

Level 4

10.4

10.9 Better [for emulsifying oils]

Acid

4.3

2.3 Better [for killing germs]

KYK at highest settings

11/4/ KYK/Melody-1a KYK Melody
Level 1

9.5/-76

10.0/-745 Far Better

Level 2

9.8/-170

10.3/-766 Far Better

Level  3

10.5/-778 Better [because the pH is more drinkable]

10.8/-803

Level 4

11.1 Tiny bit better [for emulsifying oils]

11.0

Acid

2.8

2.3 Better [for killing germs faster]

Here are my comments about today’s water ionizer comparisons:

  • I’m ignoring the first set of results, because the programming of the KYK Generation II was not at the highest settings. But with the 2nd set of tests, the Melody still did better.
  • The Melody’s results for levels 1 and 2 were far better than the KYK and they had almost perfect ionized water results.
  • At Level 3 the KYK did a little better than the Melody at level 3, because the pH was at a more drinkable level. However, if you compared the Level 3 of the KYK with Level 2 of the Melody, you can see the ORP is almost identical with the Melody’s pH even more drinkable. 
  • At Level 4 the difference of 1/10th of a pH point is neglegible, and both water ionizes’ high alkaline results were plenty high enough to emulsify oils.
  • The Melody had a slightly better low acidic pH, but both water ionizers’ low acid pH results were plenty low enough to kill germs.

This was part 5 of a series of water ionizer comparison tests that I have called Water Ionizer Face-Off. So far I have compared…

For now this is the last round of Alkaline Water Plus’s Water Ionizer Face-Off Competitions. I have gathered a lot of good information so far and that will have to do until I continue these Face-Off Competitions at some point after the holidays [or sooner if there seems to be a real need].

My overall rankings for the water ionizers compared based on the results in this 5-part Water Ionizer Face-Off Competition are:

Category #1: Best Water Ionizers [Jupiter Athena Water Ionizer, Tyent Turbo Water Ionizer, and Enagic LeveLuk SD 501 Kangen Water Ionizer]

Category #2: Better Water Ionizer [Jupiter Melody Water Ionizer]

Category #3: Good Water Ionizers [Chanson Miracle Water Ionizer and KYK Generation II Water Ionizer]

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* Background… Scientifically Comparing Water Ionizers: To scientifically compare water ionziers you need to understand the term, rH [relative Hydrogen], and how important it is to comparing water ionizers. You can’t always look at numbers and figure it out which one is the best ORP per unit of pH easily. Therefore it’s helpful to have a formula to help you do that. RH is simply a measure of negatively charged Hydrogen per unit of pH in your water.  The smaller the number [rH closer to zero], the better [healthier & more anti-oxidizing] the water is. On a scale from 0 to 42, above 28 is oxidizing (higher potential to damage the closer it gets to 40) and below 28 is reducing (anti-oxidizing)…the lower [closer to zero] the better. RH is the best measure of the healthiness of that ionized water.

The formula for rH is: rH = (ORP + 200) / 30 + 2 * pH 

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Today I had the pleasure to test two great water ionizers, the Enagic $3800 Water ionizer [the SD 501] and the Jupiter Athena water ionizer.

The results were close, but the Athena was a bit better in levels 2 and 3 [which I feel are the most important levels, because they are the levels that most people drink at]. 

The Athena has a better design than the Enagic — more sophisticated and efficiently designed. Jupiter Athena is Jupiter’s highest-end water ionizer. It is a tried-and-true water ionizer design, that has been around for many years. It has come out top in many water ionizer comparison tests, including the ones done by Silver State Labs [an independent certified lab]. The filtration in the Athena is exceptional along with the internal self-cleaning system, called the DARC [double automatic reverse cleaning] cleaning system. The Athena also has a better warranty than the Enagic’s 5-Year Warranty.

Here are the videos, chart, and commentaries for today’s water ionizer comparisons:

 

10/29/ Enagic/Athena-1 Enagic Athena
Level 1  pH/ORP

10.5/-780  Better

9.7/+3

Level 2   pH/ORP/rH

11 /-805 / 1.83

10.4 /-710 / 3.8 Better because the water’s more drinkable

Level  3   pH/ORP/rH

11.3 / -825 / 1.77

11.1 / -817 / 1.63 [Tiny bit better]

Level 4   pH

11.4  Better [for emulsifying oils]

11.2

Acid   pH

2.8

2.5  Better [for killing germs faster]

Here are my comments about today’s water ionizer comparisons:

  • Enagic’s results at level 1 were higher, but the pH was too high for most people starting in at drinking ionized water.
  • The Athena’s ORP at level 2 was almost as good as the Enagic’s but with a far more drinkable pH. Same for level 3.
  • The Enagic had a slightly higher pH at the highest level [this was without the aid of any chemical], but both water ionizes’ high alkaline results were plenty high enough to emulsify oils.
  • The Athena had a slightly better low acidic pH [without the aid of chemicals], but both water ionizers’ low acid pH results were plenty low enough to kill germs.

This was part 4 of a series of water ionizer comparison tests that I am calling Water Ionizer Face-Off. So far I have compared…

Look for more water ionizer comparisons, as part of Alkaline Water Plus’s Water Ionizer Face-Off Competition, coming soon!

Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
Cathie LoGrasso
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* Background… Scientifically Comparing Water Ionizers: To scientifically compare water ionziers you need to understand the term, rH [relative Hydrogen], and how important it is to comparing water ionizers. You can’t always look at numbers and figure it out which one is the best ORP per unit of pH easily. Therefore it’s helpful to have a formula to help you do that. RH is simply a measure of negatively charged Hydrogen per unit of pH in your water.  The smaller the number [rH closer to zero], the better [healthier & more anti-oxidizing] the water is. On a scale from 0 to 42, above 28 is oxidizing (higher potential to damage the closer it gets to 40) and below 28 is reducing (anti-oxidizing)…the lower [closer to zero] the better. RH is the best measure of the healthiness of that ionized water.

The formula for rH is: rH = (ORP + 200) / 30 + 2 * pH 

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Today I’m reporting on my water ionizer comparisons of the Tyent Turbo water ionizer vs. the Chanson Miracle water ionizer.

The Chanson Miracle water ionizer is the high-end of the Chanson water ionizer models, and as you can see here it performs well in levels 3 and 4. It also gets a good acid water pH. The Tyent Turbo water ionizer, however performed well at almost all levels [neither ionizer performed well at level 1] and showed a better ORP per unit of pH than the Chanson Miracle water ionizer [which I personally feel is important]. So, I believe Tyent is the clear winner in today’s Water Ionizer Face-Off competition.

Here are the videos, charts and commentaries:

 

10/27/10 Tyent/Miracle-1 Tyent Turbo Chanson Miracle
Level 1pH/ORP/rH*/Rating

9.5 /+32 / 26.73

10.2 /-69 / 24.77 Better but still not good.

Level 2pH/ORP/rH*/Rating

10.4 /-755 / 2.3 Much Better

10.6 /-171 /20.2

Level  3pH/ORP/rH*/Rating

11.2 /-814 / 1.93 Better

11.3 /-797 / 2.7

Level  4 pH

11.3

11.5 Better [for emulsifying oils]

Acid

2.0 Better [for killing germs]

2.5

Level 4 at slower flowpH/ORP/rH*/Rating

11.4

11.6 Better [for emulsifying oils]

Acid @ slower flow-rate

2.0 Better [for killing germs]

2.5

Acid…from Miracle with acid hose flowing uphill

 

2.1 Better [for killing germs]

Note: St. Louis tap water today tested at 9.5 pH and +302 ORP.

Analysis of the Miracle’s Results: Levels 3 and 4 were fine for the Miracle were very good results for ORP, but the pH was high for drinking. At the drinking levels of pH for the Miracle I wasn’t able to get good ORP results. I actually repeated several tests of the Miracle on my own, for my own knowledge, worked with the Chanson technician extensively, and adjusted the settings to the maximum results for my water. I was still unable to get levels 1 and 2 of the Miracle to perform any better than this. Level 3 of the Miracle is close to the Tyent at level 3, although not quite as good of an ORP per unit of pH, and the Miracle’s good results at levels 3 and 4 made me believe that I could program the first two levels to perform better. Keep in mind that the St. Louis source water is a very high pH, so these results would most likely be much lower pH in your area. I say the Miracle at levels 1 and 2 wasn’t performing well, because it was not giving good stable medical quality negative ORP until it got up to about an 11 pH. [Again, consider the source water: in your area this may have been a 10 pH or lower] I tested this over and over on my own, and this is what I observed with all the tests. Most people at an 11 pH are using that for a de-greaser and not as their drinking level. Therefore the high ORP at that level is an indication of good electrolysis, but not useful information for ionized water drinking purposes for people with my source water. My earlier tests of the Chanson focused only on levels 3 and 4 in Laguna Hills, CA, http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/2009/11/17/chanson-water-ionizers-vs-the-melody-water-ionizer/ and so I really have nothing to compare these recent tests at levels 1 and 2 to. It’s possible I’m doing something wrong, and if I figure it out I will let you know.

How did the Tyent do? Well with the Tyent at level 2 you can see by the numbers in the chart above that you could drink at 10.4 pH and get a -755 ORP. And that’s with St. Louis source water! That’s great! Of course you would start out at the lower pH levels, but when you got up to this level you’d be all set with about the best ORP you could get for that level of pH.

This was part 3 of a series of water ionizer comparison tests that I am calling Water Ionizer Face-Off. So far I have compared…

Look for more water ionizer comparisons, as part of Alkaline Water Plus’s Water Ionizer Face-Off Competition, coming soon!

Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
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* Background… Scientifically Comparing Water Ionizers: To scientifically compare water ionziers you need to understand the term, rH [relative Hydrogen], and how important it is to comparing water ionizers. You can’t always look at numbers and figure it out which one is the best ORP per unit of pH easily. Therefore it’s helpful to have a formula to help you do that. RH is simply a measure of negatively charged Hydrogen per unit of pH in your water.  The smaller the number [rH closer to zero], the better [healthier & more anti-oxidizing] the water is. On a scale from 0 to 42, above 28 is oxidizing (higher potential to damage the closer it gets to 40) and below 28 is reducing (anti-oxidizing)…the lower [closer to zero] the better. RH is the best measure of the healthiness of that ionized water.

The formula for rH is: rH = (ORP + 200) / 30 + 2 * pH 

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Today I compared the Jupiter Melody water ionizer against the Enagic LeveLuk SD 501 water ionizer!

What great water ionizer comparison results I got… and I’m sharing these results here in this article.  I am somewhat surprized that the Jupiter Melody water ionizer compares so well, although I have tested the Melody water ionizer against the Enagic Kangen machine before and got good water ionizer comparitive results then. It is a nice surprize all over again that these two very popular water ionizers compare this closely, because of the extreme price difference. Below, the results show it was nearly a tie. Level 3 drinking level of ionized water was particularly tied. You could barely get that close even if you tested a water ionizer against itself. The acidic water capabilities of the Enagic are better, but there is chemical added which in my eyes is not needed [The Enagic is able to get a stronger acidic water partially due to the solution that is added during the strong acid setting.] Personally, I don’t see anything too shabby about the 3.0 pH the Melody was able to get all by itself without the chemical. Anything under 4 pH kills germs…it just kills them faster the lower the pH. All-in-all I am very impressed with the Melody water ionizer while at the same time not unimpressed with the Enagic Kangen machine. What I’ve found with my water ionizer testing is that several water ionizers will give you these great results…and I’m thankful that they do!

Both water ionizers are well-made and function without difficulty. Both waters are pleasant tasting, although the filtration of the Jupiter water ionizers is far superior to the out-of-date Enagic’s filtration. The Jupiter Melody water ionizer also has a better system of self-cleaning in that it reverses polarity every time you turn the water on [versus every so many liters]. This is why the Melody water ionizer stays so squeaky-clean year after year. I’ve seen a 5-year-old Melody beat a brand new KYK water ionizer one time in a test series being conducted by the KYK main importer at the time. Both of the water ionizers use fine, highest quality materials and have exceptional customer service [although the warranty for the Melody is far superior ...with a lifetime warranty on parts]. And…

The Melody Water Ionizer is only $1595.00!

I’ve included the 2-part video here so you can see the tests yourself, verify the results are recorded correctly and verify that I had the water flow rate the same for both water ionizers. I also included pictures showing that the pH meter was callibrated ahead of time and the St. Louis tap water was 9.3 pH and +203 ORP just prior to the testing. I’ve also constructed a chart showing all the levels of water ionizer comparison, below the videos.

 

 

10/26/10  Faster FlowEnagic/Melody-3 Enagic Kangen Water Jupiter Melody
Level 1pH/ORP/rH*/Rating

10.2 / -155 / 18.9 Tied

10.0 / -90 / 20.3 Tied Maybe a little better…because the pH is more drinkable for level 1

Level 2pH/ORP/rH*/Rating

10.6 / -500 / 11.2 Better

10.4 / -230 / 19.8

Level  3pH/ORP/rH*/Rating

11.1 / -800 / 2.2 Tied

10.8 / -780 /2.27 Better because the pH is more drinkable and ORP is almost the same.

Level  4

11.3 Better [for emulsifying oils]

11.0

Acid pH

2.0 Better [for killing germs faster]

3.0

 

This was part 2 of a series of water ionizer comparison tests that I am calling Water Ionizer Face-Off. So far I have compared…

Look for many more water ionizer comparisons, as part of Alkaline Water Plus’s Water Ionizer Face-Off Competition, coming soon!

PH Meter Callibrations:

7.0 PH Callibrated10.0 PH Callibration

St. Louis Tap Water:

Wishing You Water Wellness!
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* Background… Scientifically Comparing Water Ionizers: To scientifically compare water ionziers you need to understand the term, rH [relative Hydrogen], and how important it is to comparing water ionizers. You can’t always look at numbers and figure it out which one is the best ORP per unit of pH easily. Therefore it’s helpful to have a formula to help you do that. RH is simply a measure of negatively charged Hydrogen per unit of pH in your water.  The smaller the number [closer to zero], the better [healthier & more anti-oxidizing] the water is. On a scale from 0 to 42, above 28 is oxidizing (higher potential to damage the closer it gets to 40) and below 28 is reducing (anti-oxidizing)…the lower [closer to zero] the better. RH is the best measure of the healthiness of that ionized water.

The formula for rH is: rH = (ORP + 200) / 30 + 2 * pH 

 

 

 

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Alkaline Water Plus has a great water ionizer comparison competition planned for the next few weeks or months, which I am calling ”Water Ionizer Face-Off”. Water ionizers will compete with other water ionizers one-by-one. We’ll cycle through a variety of one-on-one water ionizer competitions so that each pair of water ionizers is eventually fully compared with each other. Hopefully the results will show a general idea of where each water ionizer stands in comparison with the others and this information will add to the general knowledge about these water ionizers. I won’t be testing water ionizers that I feel are poor in any way, which cuts out a lot of water ionizers. Just the fact that I’m including an ionizer in this competition means I think it’s a good and worthy water ionizer to begin with. 

Why do these water ionizer comparisons at all?

First of all, I think these water ionizer comparisons are necessary to real information to light and dispel myths, and there are many, regarding what makes a water ionizer a great one. Since I’ve been drinking and benefiting from ionized water for 18 years, I have unshakable knowledge about the benefits of drinking ionized water. My whole family has benefited right before my very eyes with a 5-plate water ionizer [which isn't even being made anymore....but is still working after all these years]. Since more recently [in the past few years] I’ve tried better water ionizers, I’m now sold on the health benefits of spending more to get the best water ionizer. However the best water ionizer is not the one that costs the most or has the biggest plates or most watts of power necessarily. There are many factors which go into the overall design and effectiveness of a water ionizer. I honestly think that the biggest factor in the success of a water ionizer is the overall engineering design of that water ionizer. I’m not swayed by myths though, because what I’m looking for is results. The overall design of a water ionizer can be actually tested to see the results, and that’s what I do and why I do it. The best water ionizer in my eyes is the one which will give you the best negative ORP per unit of pH [especially at the level I drink]. If two water ionizers are about the same in that respect, then I look at other things [such as filtration, self-cleaning system, warranty and appearance]…but that’s for another time. What I’m doing now is testing them for pH and ORP at their various levels and calculating the ORP per unit of pH. I’ve tested all of these water ionizers before, but am testing them again more slowly, and closely this time, looking at the quality of ionized water at each level.

Today is Day #1 of the Water Ionizer Face-Off Competition, and our water ionizer contestants are…

The Tyent Turbo vs. the Enagic LeveLuk SD 501 Water Ionizers!

Here are the videos for today’s water ionizer comparison face-off round between the Tyent Turbo and the Enagic SD 501, followed by a chart and commentary about the results.

 

Water Ionizer Face-Off: Tyent Turbo vs. Enagic Kangen Water

10/21/10 Turbo/Enagic1 Tyent Turbo Enagic
Level 1 pH/ORP/rH/Rating

8.8 /+150/ 29.27 Neither are good.

10.1 / -70/ 24.53  Neither are good.

Level 2

10.1 / -737 / 2.3 BETTER because the pH is more drinkable

11 / -809 /1.7

Level  3

10.8 / -800 /1.6 BETTER because the pH is more drinkable

11.2 / -822 /1.67

Level  4

11

11.5 Better for emulsifying oils

Acid

2.4

1.9 BETTER, but irrelevant. Both will equally kill germs.

Here are my comments about round one of the water ionizer face-off:

  • These results, above, are really close. Both of these water ionizers are strong and capable, as you can see, with the great ionization shown in the chart and video. But I’m going to call this in favor of the Tyent. The reason I’m saying Tyent wins, is that at Level 3 [Kangen water 9.5], which is the most popular level for drinking, both ORPs are fantastic, but the Tyent’s pH is more drinkable.
  • Also at Level 2 [another "most popular" drinking level] the Tyent has a lower, more drinkable, pH and a fantastic, negative ORP.
  • The acid water for both water ionizers is low enough to kill germs on contact. So even though the Enagic comes in better for acidity at their lowest acid level it is almost irrelevant. 2.4 pH kills on contact. You can’t kill germs any faster than that unless you’re going to kill them before you spray them with the acid water [joke].
  • Level 1 is not too good on either water ionizer.

There are more to water ionizers than just pH and ORP. ORP, however is very beneficial if you can get a high ORP per unit of pH. I have personally seen spider veins dissappear right before my very eyes when I switched to a better [high-ORP] water ionizer. For this reason I personally believe that ORP is a very important factor of ionized water and should be looked at in comparing water ionizers.

Background:

Scientifically Comparing Water Ionizers: To scientifically compare water ionziers you need to understand the term, rH [relative Hydrogen], and how important it is to comparing water ionizers. You can’t always look at numbers and figure it out which one is the best ORP per unit of pH easily. Therefore it’s helpful to have a formula to help you do that. RH is simply a measure of negatively charged Hydrogen per unit of pH in your water.  The smaller the number [closer to zero], the better [healthier & more anti-oxidizing] the water is. On a scale from 0 to 42, above 28 is oxidizing (higher potential to damage the closer it gets to 40) and below 28 is reducing (anti-oxidizing)…the lower [closer to zero] the better. RH is the best measure of the healthiness of that ionized water.

The formula for rH is: rH = (ORP + 200) / 30 + 2 * pH

This picture shows the meters used were calibrated with 7.01 and 10.01 scientific calibration solution.

Water Ionizer Meter CalibrationWater Ionizer Face-Off Meter Calibration

St. Louis Tap Water… 9.4 pH and +530 ORP.

St. Louis Tap Water

 

 


 

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Shopping Water Ionizers? Watch out for Deceptive Tactics.

If a company makes wild claims about how far-out better their water ionizer is than EVERY other water ionizer…beware. Many years and years of research have gone into the engineering of water ionizers. I would not completely believe that one company beats out ALL others, unless I tested their water ionizer against other exceptional water ionizers myself.

I used to believe these kinds of claims [at least partially believe them] until I started extensively testing water ionizers. Since then I’ve found out in every case where a water ionizer company has stated wild superiority, it was simply not true. Maybe it was an exceptional ionizer, but there were also other exceptional ionizers. Within the category of exceptional water ionizers, there are a few that are a little better than other exceptional ones in some aspects…but not in all aspects.

Is “a little bit better” worth it? I personally feel it’s worth spending an extra $500.00 or so for a little bit better ORP per unit of pH or for a continuous electrode cleaning system, however, I wouldn’t spend too much extra just to get a little bit better acid water. Each person has to decide for themselves on what’s worth it or not. It’s kind of like if you were buying a car and the salesperson claimed this car could go faster than any other car. That statement wouldn’t mean much to most people, but someone would want to pay extra for that if it were true. I don’t feel that “a little bit better ORP” or “a little bit lower acid pH” warrants wild statements of superiority though. I’ve tested all of the good water ionizers, and I haven’t found one that was wildly better than the rest. 

Are there bad water ionizers? Yes, some are just junk after a couple of years or even right away. If they aren’t using pure titanium coated with pure platinum, or worse, if they’re using titanium-platinum alloys they are selling an inferior product for three reasons:  

  1. The levels of electrolysis with alloys will not be able to ionize the water well. Pure platinum is required for full water ionization. Platinum is the best known catalyst for ionization known to man.
  2. Alloys will not hold up as well as titanium and platinum in their pure forms, therefore no matter what they say, their water ionizer will not last. It won’t continue getting good ionization.
  3. Alloys may contain nickel, copper, or other minerals that can leach into your drinking water eventually. This could bring the levels of those minerals up too high, so as to make your water unhealthy. 

Water Ionizer Warranties: If it’s a new company I wouldn’t trust their warranty, especially if it was one of those “too good to be true” warranties. The test of a good warranty is not only what the company says, but look at some other things, then add up the facts before making your decision based on water ionizer warranty. I suggest to ask yourself these questions:

  1. What would happen if everyone started cashing in on that unbelievable warranty down the road? Would the company go out of business?
  2. How old is the company?
  3. What is, their BBB rating?
  4. Does the company seem forthright? Do they supply you with sufficient information about themselves so you could find them if they jumped ship? If they don’t divulge their name, address and such on their websites, they could operate multiple companies that never get linked to each other. Therefore it’s no big deal if one company fails, their other companies will pick up the slack. It’s a little shifty to not divulge these kinds of normal things.

Are there false water ionizer comparisons? Yes. It is definitely not conclusive if a company tells you how they’ve tested all of them and theirs is the best. Where is the proof? I try to keep abreast of all the water ionizer comparisons being done [both the reliable ones and the obviously biased ones] and I’ll share a few things I’ve observed from some of the more shady water ionizer comparisons I’ve seen:.

  • Most obviously unreliable: When a company tells you they have compared their brand with other brands, but offers no proof of their claim to be the best, or their proof has holes in it.
  • A little less obvious: When a company claims to have had an independent lab analyze their water samples vs. several other popular water ionizer samples, but they don’t have proof that the samples were collected and submitted properly. This is particularly questionable if their test numbers fall out of the range of possibility. For example: I saw a supposed lab test result the other day that showed that the ionizer [all by itself] removed over 90% of the sodium from the water. This is ludicrous, because only reverse osmosis or nano-filtration can do that. It was particularly interesting in that instance that the company collected their own samples to send to the lab.
  • Even less obvious: When a doctor or health professional claims that they have compared all of the water ionizers and theirs is the best. This is less obvious, because people tend to believe doctors and health professionals, and they’re used to taking their word for things. This category includes: when a doctor or health professional tells you how bad all of the “other” water ionizers are, but they supply questionable proof or no proof [just anecdotal references to their past experiences years ago]. They of course don’t mention specific names either, because that then would possibly open them up to a law suite if they couldn’t prove what they were saying was true [and therefore it probably isn’t true].
  • Most un-obvious: Water ionizer review sites may not be anything more than a front for one of the companies they are reviewing. If the reviewer tells you nothing about himself, nothing about his interest in the business, and nothing about his company, yet pays money to advertise his website….beware. There is something fishy there. I’m pretty sure he’s not just being a philanthropist. Also, if the reviewer sells only one brand, that makes their reviews questionable as well. 

Are there other false claims to watch out for? Yes.

  • Here’s a good one: Company claims to be the only US manufacturer, then a year later divulges that their plant happens to be in Korea. When it comes to the purpose of water ionizers to be for improving one’s health, it makes no sense to buy from a company that hides or potentially skews their facts.
  • Water ionizer companies who make deals with stars to sell their water ionizers: Does that mean their water ionizer is better? No. These endorsements don’t offer any proof that their ionizer is better. They only offer proof that they made a deal with that star. Using stars to sell a product is just another sales gimmick. It happens all the time with many products.
  • Here’s another example: Company says they’re the first and only company that offers a lifetime warranty. This is just silly, because these things can be dated and proven otherwise. [In this case they were the third company to offer a lifetime warranty, and of course that means they aren’t the only ones either.] Always look for the proof of these kinds of claims…or better yet, just ignore them. This is just hot air coming out of a shallow hole.
  • If a company tells you all of their certifications, without offering at least links to the PDF documents that prove that, it could be that there is something they are hiding. Otherwise why wouldn’t they show you the documents? Maybe they don’t want you to know the identity of their actual manufacturer, in which case they are probably hiding something.  
  • If a company has an “About us” page that tells all about their goals for you the customer, but nothing about themselves or their own background or history, they are probably hiding something about their own identity.
  • Or if they have a “Contact Us” page and they don’t even give you an email address, address or phone number, that’s a red flag that they could be hiding something. They should be able to provide you with names, addresses, phone numbers, etc., which tell real information about them.
  • Beware of “camera-shy” companies. If you don’t see their ionizers in broad numbers of video-comparisons, and you only see them tooting their own horn, or on only a couple of carefully selected sites, or if they seem to try to stay out of the internet arena [where they would be subject to scrutiny or actual real comparisons]  it could be intentional. Their product might not be that wonderful, and they may not want you to see that.  
  • Do not buy a water ionizer from a foreign country [including Canada]. You have no real idea where that water ionizer came from, whose tampered with it. They will show you a picture of the product and it looks right, but you don’t know anything more than that.
Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
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Comparing the Jupiter Water Ionizers

Sep 10 · by Cathleen LoGrasso

Many people have requested a comparison of the Jupiter Orion, Aquarius, Athena, Melody and Venus water ionizers. So I’ve constructed this chart to help you see the similarities and differences between these great water ionizers.

  Athena Orion/ Aquarius Venus Melody
pH range in ST. Louis water 2.9  – 11 2.9 – 11 3.0 – 11 3.2 – 11
ORP at middle ranges of pH [drinking water] St. Louis -400 to -650 -400 to -650 -200 to -300 -300 to -450
Plate Cleaning Best Best Average compared to most water ionizers. Very good compared to most water ionizers
Do you have to wait for acid wash plate cleaning? No No Yes No
Filters Biostone Plus or Biostone .01

Double filter

Biostone Plus or Biostone .01

Single filter

Biostone Plus or Biostone .01

Single filter

Biostone Plus or Biostone .01

Single filter

Type of plates Mesh Mesh Solid smooth Solid electro-coated
Flow Control Knob Yes No Yes Yes
Can you hook direct to plumbing line? Yes Yes Yes Yes
Can you install under sink? Yes No Yes Yes
Warranty Life – parts

5-yr labor

Life – parts

5-yr labor

Life – parts

5-yr labor

Life – parts

5-yr labor

  2195. 1895. 1195. 1495
Downpayment No pay-plan 495 200 300
Payments [@10 months] No pay-plan. 140 99.50 119.50

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