Are there any long-term concerns about drinking ionized water?

In Japan and Korea, about 15% or so of the population has been drinking ionized water for over 30 years…some even longer. Many hospitals in both Japan and Korea use water ionizers for both its alkalizing/anti-oxidizing properties for drinking and for its acid properties in healing skin sores.

Innumerable tests have been done on mice, rats, chickens, etc., and in almost every instance there were good results noted and no negative results have ever been able to be replicated. There have been no substantiated incidents of negative long-term effects of people drinking ionized water.

I have personally known people who are cancer-free today primarily because of ionized water. My family and extended family are so much healthier because of ionized water! Over the years I have had hundreds of customers who either have written to me or spoken with me on the phone and told me their stories of how water ionizers have help them and their families so much.

Water ionizers have a bona fide and rightful, life-long place in any family’s healthy home.

As a long-time educator [I was a teacher/principal for over 24 years], I am very interested in educating people [and giving people the straight scoop] about water ionizers. I will not allow myself to sell a product that could do harm or isn’t tested thoroughly enough for safety. I also personally, have been drinking ionized water for over 16 years, along with my family and extended family. I can safely say that I am healthier today, at age 59, than when I started drinking it at age 43! The reason I am selling water ionizers today is because a water ionizer is the one, single, best, health product I have ever purchased. So after retiring from teaching I decided to pursue this passion.

Are there negative reports about ionized water?

There are going to be people who will, no matter what it is that you are advocating, will advocate against it. In every case, when I’ve come across a report I have given it my full attention. One chemist was warning people that ionized water could upset the balance in your colon. It seemed like a silly warning, especially in light of all the colonoscopy work that Dr. Shinya has done to show the great things ionized water does for all of his thousands of patients’ colons [Dr. Shinya is the inventor of the colonoscopy]. But even though the claim seemed silly, I still checked it out on myself.

Just a few months ago my husband and I had comprehensive stool analyses [which showed a perfect supply of good bacteria, zero bad bacteria, zero parasites, and good results in every other way.]

Not only do we feel healthier than ever, but the blood, stool and urine tests my husband and I have done [after drinking ionized water for over 16 years] are showing this as well!

Another health-reporter was worrying people about long-term use [he said short-term use for detoxing was good but not long term...however didn’t specify his reasons]. He hinted at the stomach/colon, and possibly “leaky-gut”, but was elusive [I think he just wanted to sell his newly imported water filters]. So, just last month I had a urinalysis [along with test for leaky-gut] and the comprehensive report showed that all levels for everything tested were perfect. In addition my heart rate and blood pressure were so good the nurse made a comment about how envious she was.

It’s interesting that none of the “authorities” that I’ve run across who have advocated against water ionization have ever actually tried it.

Their reports are obviously flawed in such a way as to show they haven’t much knowledge about water ionizers either. Many health authorities or scientists who HAVE fully checked out water ionizers have concurred with what I know from experience, that the health benefits possible are quite bona fide and even amazing. Here’s a question/answer report of an interview with Ray Kurzweil [inventor/scientist] who did in fact check out water ionizers top to bottom and highly advocates them. http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/uploaded/Ray_Kurzweil_Q_A.pdf

How do vitamins fit in with water ionizers?

Another benefit: Since I’ve been drinking ionized water, my intake of vitamins and minerals have lowered. I take a normal amount of vitamins today, but took a greater than normal amount 20 years ago…because I wasn’t as healthy then as I am today. Last year my husband and I had our blood fully analyzed and, just as we knew it would, every level of dozens of things the test covered was perfect.

Medical Uses for Water Ionizers:

There is one particular water ionizer that claims to be the only one suitable for medical uses [such as if a person has cancer or some other condition they are worried about]. This is bogus and absolutely, completely, 100% untrue. The actual fact of the matter is that it is a sales pitch and it is in my opinion bordering on fraud.

Water ionizers, in general, have been approved for manufacturing in 1965 by the Japanese Ministry of Health and Welfare as medical equipment to produce medical substances.

In Japan, Korea, and Taiwan, water ionizers are considered as medical devices, but also as water treatment devices. In the U.S., water ionizers are not considered medical devices, and it could be risky for a company to market them as such. Enagic gets away with their marketing, because mostly these claims are being made person to person or in closed group settings. However it is a risky thing to do, and could put the company out of business or at least cause some damage in the way of fines. Several years ago, when I started hearing the claims by Enagic dealers, I decided to find out for myself. I was perfectly willing to switch companies if the Enagic was better. I just wanted to know. I cannot tell you how many times I have tested and retested [and retested and retested] their water ionizer against the other two top water ionizers, the Athena and Tyent water ionizers, as well as other water ionizers, and other than an occasional higher pH [for cleaning water…too high to drink] and a higher flow-rate [which in my opinion is not a good thing…because the filtration suffers when the flow-rate is too fast] the Athena is better. The Tyent is probably tied…but the warranty is better with the Tyent and so is the price.

For long-term use, when is it best to consume ionized water?

It is best to consume ionized water away from mealtimes if your meal contains meat. Some also suggest to not drink it while taking medications [vitamins are fine though]. A good rule of thumb is for 20 min. before and 20 min. after meals or taking medications, drink little or no alkaline water. If you like to drink water with meals containing meat, then I suggest you squeeze a slice of lemon into your ionized water and you’ll change the pH of it to acidic or just drink filtered water. The reason for this is that during the initial phases of digestion your stomach needs to maintain a more acidic environment [in particular if your meal contains meat].

How do You Know You’re Getting the Best Quality of Water Ionizer?

One way is to compare the water ionizer’s ORP per Unit of PH: Not all ionizers will give a good ORP at lower pH levels, such as at pH settings of 8 or 8.5. That’s why I’ve done extensive testing of both the pH and ORP of all of the leading water ionizers. I have also tested ionizers in a variety of different locations, so I could get an idea of how source water affects the ORP at the various pH levels.

Why Would People Need the Lower PH Settings of 8 or 8.5?

People whose diets are mostly fruits and vegetables are probably more naturally alkaline and may need to set their ionizers to give them pH levels of about 8 or 8.5. Also, depending on the pH level of your incoming water, some water comes in at already a 8 – 9 pH. In this case, the ionizing of water is still very beneficial, because ORP [oxidation reduction potential, or antioxidant value of the water] delivers over 50% of the health benefits from water ionization.

People whose diets are fairly typical of US, with several trips to a fast food restaurant per week and/or more than 40% of food intake [visually] is from meat and grains will probably be more acidic and need higher pH settings for their ionized water, such as a pH of 9 or 10.

Which are the Best Water Ionizers?

It probably depends a little on your source water [where you live], but I’ll give you a very brief summary of what I’ve found to be the best water ionizers.

Medium-Hardness Water Areas: The best ionizer I’ve found for giving high ORP per unit of pH in medium-hardness water areas is the Athena water Ionizer [and also its under-sink equivalent, the Delphi]. The Tyent is also good, as well as the Enagic, Miracle Max or VS70, in that order, although these perform better at the higher [too high to drink] pH settings and do not get as good ORP per unit of pH in the lower pH settings. The Enagic is not good at getting lower PH levels when the source water is too alkaline to begin with. You can do it, by increasing the flow-rate and reducing the power-setting, but then the ORP is not good.

Soft Water Areas: The ionizer needs to work harder in soft water areas to bring the pH level up. Some water ionizers are more suited to this. The best ionizer I’ve found for giving high pH and ORP in extreme soft water areas [such as BC, Canada, or Washington state] is the Chanson Miracle Max or VS 70 water ionizers. The Athena or Delphi water ionizers are good if you set the pH-Boosting setting up to the highest level, and add a mineral filter to one of the filter ports. In this case you will get fantastic ORP per unit of pH in soft water areas, better than the Miracle Max, however you may not be able to get much higher than an alkaline value of 9.5 or 10 pH or much lower than an acidic potential of 4 or 5 pH [for cleaning purposes]. The Tyent and Enagic water ionizers are great too, probably equal to the Athena for drinking pH-levels, if you add a Remineralizer. In all cases, if you have extremely soft water [either because you have reverse osmosis or if you live in an extreme soft-water area, I recommend using a Remineralizer for the best results. With the addition of a Remineralizer or two, you can boost your incoming hardness to any desired amount.

Very Hard Water Areas: In very hard water areas, such as Arizona or Vegas, or in the case of very hard well-water, it is difficult to use any water ionizer to its full potential unless you do something to fix your source water first. For instance, you may be able to get decent drinking water, but may not be able to get any acid water lower than a pH of 5 or 6. The best results would come from reducing your source water to medium-hardness levels before ionizing it. I have had very good reports from people who have used the Reverse-Osmosis-Remineralizer-System to treat their water prior to ionization. The only down-side to this is the amount of water you are likely to be able to use at any given moment is about 1 ½ gallons. After that, you will need to wait about a half hour before you can pour more. The second-best fix for water that is extremely hard is the Spartan Ionizer Shield. I have several very good reports from happy customers about this product. The Spartan Ionizer Shield pre-filtration system doesn’t reduce your water flow or quantity, and it cuts the hardness in about half. If you use a whole-house softener [which uses sodium or potassium] the Spartan Ionizer Shield wouldn’t be the right product, though. The only effective filtration for sodium or potasium is reverse osmosis.

After over 16 years of drinking alkaline ionized water, I can say with conviction that the very best thing I could give to myself or a loved one is a WATER IONIZER! Give yourself and your family the gift of health this year!

Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
Cathie LoGrasso

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Ionized water has to, obviously, go through the stomach after we drink it.  With hydrochloric acid, or gastric juices in the stomach, my question with this series of experiments was “Which Ionizer will produce more stable, drinkable, thoroughly ionized water?”

I have tested the Athena water ionizer before, adding drops of apple cider vinegar to it, to simulate the ionized water passing through the stomach.  But, I was curious as to any differences I might see in the results of this experiment with the Tyent water ionizer and the Enagic SD501 water ionizer.  The reason I chose these two other water ionizers was they typically will get pH/ORP results that are similar to the Athena water ionizer.

The way I conducted this experiment, was to measure the pH and ORP at level 3 (for the Enagic it is called “Kangen water 9.5”) of each of these water ionizers.  Then I added drops of vinegar to the ionized water.

On the first chart below you can see I started out with one drop of vinegar added.  After that I added two more drops (see second chart).

All the videos are located below with the charts along with my analysis and conclusions following.

Adding One Drop of Apple Cider Vinegar

Water Ionizer

pH/ORP Before

pH/ORP After

EnagicTest #1Test #2Test #3 (slower flow rate)

10.7/-150

10.8/-240

11.1/-789

10.5/-130

10.4/-150

11.0/-773

Tyent

10.7/-765

10.3/-747

Athena

10.7/-777

10.3/-759

Adding Two More Drops of Apple Cider Vinegar

Water Ionizer

pH/ORP Before

pH/ORP After

Enagic

10.6/-773

10.1/-500

Tyent

9.6/-160

8.9/-95

Athena

9.4/-705

8.8/-640

Analysis and Conclusions

Enagic Water Ionizer: The Enagic water ionizer was tricky to work with because it wanted to produce stronger levels of pH than I felt was good for a person to consume.  However, whenever I produced lower, more acceptable drinking levels of pH with the Enagic water ionizer, it was also accompanied by what I felt was too low of a strength of water ionization (ie., the ORP was too weak).  When using those weak settings, the results of adding drops of vinegar were very poor.  The only time I could get decent results with the Enagic water ionizer was when I used a slower flow rate.  The problem with this was the pH came out so high that in my opinion the ionized water was too high for drinking.

Tyent Water Ionizer: The Tyent water ionizer had excellent results when I added one drop of apple cider vinegar.  However, by the time it had been sitting there for a few minutes, the ORP was showing signs of instability.  When I added two more drops of vinegar, it went to a very low ORP.

Athena Water Ionizer: The Athena water ionizer had excellent results.  It retained its excellent ORP even after adding the two extra drops of vinegar.

It’s difficult to draw conclusions from one test, but I have to say that I am once again very pleased with the result of the Athena water ionizer.  I will definitely be doing more testing in the future though as I really was expecting the Enagic and the Tyent water ionizers to do better in this water ionizer comparison test.

After over 16 years of drinking alkaline ionized water, I can say with conviction that the very best thing I could give to myself or a loved one is a WATER IONIZER! Give yourself and your family the gift of health this year!

Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
Cathie LoGrasso
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Tyent vs. Athena Water Ionizers

Oct 20 · by Cathleen LoGrasso

The Athena water ionizer and the Tyent Turbo water ionizer are both very high quality alkaline water ionizers.  I have tested these two great water ionizers against each other many, many times. Just this past week I did some more extensive water ionizer comparison testing, and you can see the videos and brief summary of each water ionizer’s performance verses the other below.  When it comes to choosing the best water ionizer for you and your family, who best to do the looking and deciding than YOU?

In any case, both of these water ionizers are far superior in performance than many other water ionizers on the market.  I say this based on personal tests and evaluations of water ionizers for many years.

Here are some of the general features of each water ionizer:

Tyent Water Ionizer vs. Athena Water Ionizer

 

Tyent Water Ionizers:

7070T Water Ionizer – The 7070 Turbo is the water ionizer we are testing in the video, below.  It is a 7 plate water ionizer.

9090T Water Ionizer – The 9090 Tyent Turbo water ionizer is the next step up from the 7070T water ionizer.  The main difference is that it is a 9 plate water ionizer.  It will get slightly better readings because of that. You can see an earlier blog post comparing the two main Tyent water ionizers [7070 vs 9090] here: http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/2010/12/18/is-the-new-nine-plate-water-ionizer-an-improvement-or-not/ .  

9000T Water Ionizer – This is the under-sink version of the 9090T.  It will get very similar results as the 9090T.

Jupiter Water Ionizers:

Athena Water Ionizer – The Athena Water Ionizer is the top of the line water ionizer at the Jupiter company.  It has continuous cleaning (it cleans continuously, behind the scenes, with no wait time).  It also has mesh plates so it allows for more thoroughly ionized water (hence the great ORP ratings.) The Delphi water ionizer is essentially the same machine as the Athena water ionizer, save one filter port, but it is the under-sink version.

Melody/Isis Water Ionizer – The Melody/Isis water ionizer is the next step down from the Athena.  The cleaning system is very good, but it’s not continuous.  It reverses polarity [cleaning the plates thoroughly] with every use though, and this is done behind the scenes…so there is no wait time for the consumer.  It also gets pretty good ORP readings.  They aren’t as good as the Athena [because the plates are solid], but the pH and ORP are pretty impressive with the Melody/Isis water ionizer. Here’s an article that will demonstrate the quality that is typical of the Melody/Isis water ionizer: http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/2010/11/04/kyk-vs-jupiter-melody-water-ionizers

Venus Water Ionizer – This is the next step down.  It is a good machine and will get the range of pH.  However, the ORP readings are not as great as the Melody or Athena.

Below, I have included several videos and charts comparing the Athena Water Ionizer versus the Tyent 7070T Water Ionizer.  In all videos, I use a moderate flow rate for both water ionizers, between 1.5 and 2 liters per minute.  I try to eliminate the flow rate variable and keep both water ionizers at the same flow rate.

Test Number One

 

Athena

pH

ORP

Level 1 9.3 -737
Level 2 10.1 -770
Level 3 10.5 -787
Level 4 10.9 -800
Low Acid 3.1 582

Tyent

pH

ORP

Level 1 8.5 173
Level 2 9.8 -260
Level 3 10.6 -755
Low Acid 2.5 500

Test Number Two

In this video, I slowed down the flow rate for both water ionizers.  I also assured that the flow rate for both the Athena Water Ionizer and the Tyent Water Ionizer were the same before starting the testing.

Athena

pH

ORP

Level 1 10.4 -768
Level 2 10.7 -785
Level 3 11.1 -803
Level 4 11.3 -820
Low Acid 2.6 395

Tyent

pH

ORP

Level 1 9.8 20
Level 2 10.3 -69
Level 3 11.1 -811
Low Acid 2.3 380

Conclusion

The Athena Water Ionizer gets a really great ORP at all pH levels, even the lower level alkaline pHs!  The Tyent Water Ionizer doesn’t start to get good ORP until level three. The Tyent water ionizer gets a lower acid pH [2.3 vs. the Athena's 2.6 in St. Louis water]. The lower the acid water, the better the acidic water is for use as a germicidal cleaner [killing germs], although any pH lower than 4 will kill germs.

rH

There is another method to evaluate these test results.  We could measure the rH (relative hydrogen).  The formula is:

(ORP + 200)/30 + (2 x pH)

The closer the number is to zero the better.  The scale goes from 0 to 48.  If it is below 28 it is antioxidizing and if it is above 28 it is oxidizing.  The Athena water ionizer beats the Tyent water ionizer on this, but the Tyent water ionizer is still exceptional.

Other Related Blog Posts

I wanted to provide all blog posts that the Athena or Tyent water ionizers are compared in so you can see past tests and results. Here are the titles of each followed by a link:

New and Improved Water Ionizer Comparison Chart

http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/2011/08/03/water-ionizer-comparison-chart-new-and-improved/

Is the New Nine-Plate Water Ionizer an Improvement or Not?

http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/2010/12/18/is-the-new-nine-plate-water-ionizer-an-improvement-or-not/

Athena vs Tyent Water Ionizers: More Testing

http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/2009/10/22/athena-vs-tyent-water-ionizers-more-testing/

Tyent Water Ionizer vs Athena : Tested @ Level 3 [with tap & reverse-osmosis-remineralized water]

http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/2009/10/22/tyent-water-ionizer-vs-athena-water-ionizer-tested-level-3-with-tap-reverse-osmosis-remineralized-water/

Water Ionizer Comparisons: Tyent Turbo vs Athena Water Ionizers

http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/2009/09/12/water-ionizer-comparisons-tyent-turbo-vs-athena-water-ionizers/

A Real Quick Look at the Major Strengths of the Tyent, KYK, Chanson, Melody, Athena, Enagic and Life Water Ionizers

http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/?p=58

After over 16 years of drinking alkaline ionized water, I can say with conviction that the very best thing I could give to myself or a loved one is a WATER IONIZER! Give yourself and your family the gift of health this year!

Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
Cathie LoGrasso
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Today we are doing a taste test between the Enagic SD501 water ionizer, the Athena water ionizer, the Tyent 7070 Turbo water ionizer and St Louis tap water.

We are testing with three different people.  They will be blind folded so as to eliminate any bias each one might have toward a particular water source. 

We are going to show you each video as we go along for the sake of full disclosure and so that you can make your own conclusions from observing yourself.  Keep in mind there are modifications to and conclusions made from this experiment as we go along.

In each video we are rating the taste of the water on a scale of 1-10, with 1 being the worst tasting and 10 being the best tasting.

 

Water Source

1st Taste Rating

2nd Taste Rating

3rd Taste Rating

Avg

Tyent

7 9.2   8.1

Tap

9 8 9.5 8.8

Enagic

6 7   6.5

Athena

8 9.5   8.75

The Enagic did not test very well in the taste test. However I realized that I had not checked the pH of any of the water samples.  So after this video we tested the pH of all of the ionized water.

Modifications Needed

After this initial testing I checked the pH of all the water we were tasting.  Here’s a table of what the pH was after the video for each water source.  After seeing the higher pH for the Enagic, I concluded that this might have effected the results of the Enagic water ionizer’s taste test.

Water Source

pH

St Louis Tap

9.7

Athena

10.9

Tyent

10.7

Enagic

11.3

In the following videos I attempt to control the pH variable. After redoing the taste testing with all water ionizers at the same pH level (see chart below) the Enagic still did not do as well as the other water ionizers.

For the sake of condensing the information contained in these videos, I am only putting the average score from each taste tester for each water source.

Water Source

pH

Taste Test Susan’s Ratings

Taste Test Chrissy’s Ratings

Taste Test Cathie’s Ratings

Average Ratings

Tap

9.9 9.75 8.2 6.75 8.23

Enagic

10.9 7.5 7.75 7 7.42

Athena

10.9 9.2 8.2 8.75 8.72

Tyent

10.9 8.5 8.2 7.5 8.07

Final Conclusion

The results are actually quite amusing.  They are not very decisive and even within one taste test on one person, it seems to not have any real pattern.  But, I guess that’s what you get when you are doing an experiment based on someone’s opinion. 

It looks like the Athena wins out with St Louis tap water as a close second.

You can watch the videos yourself and conclude as you wish.

Note: We are lucky in St Louis to have such good tasting tap water.  That may have influenced the results of these tests.

After over 16 years of drinking alkaline ionized water, I can say with conviction that the very best thing I could give to myself or a loved one is a WATER IONIZER! Give yourself and your family the gift of health this year!

Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
Cathie LoGrasso
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Today I’m reporting on my water ionizer comparisons of the Tyent Turbo water ionizer vs. the Chanson Miracle water ionizer.

The Chanson Miracle water ionizer is the high-end of the Chanson water ionizer models, and as you can see here it performs well in levels 3 and 4. It also gets a good acid water pH. The Tyent Turbo water ionizer, however performed well at almost all levels [neither ionizer performed well at level 1] and showed a better ORP per unit of pH than the Chanson Miracle water ionizer [which I personally feel is important]. So, I believe Tyent is the clear winner in today’s Water Ionizer Face-Off competition.

Here are the videos, charts and commentaries:

 

10/27/10 Tyent/Miracle-1 Tyent Turbo Chanson Miracle
Level 1pH/ORP/rH*/Rating

9.5 /+32 / 26.73

10.2 /-69 / 24.77 Better but still not good.

Level 2pH/ORP/rH*/Rating

10.4 /-755 / 2.3 Much Better

10.6 /-171 /20.2

Level  3pH/ORP/rH*/Rating

11.2 /-814 / 1.93 Better

11.3 /-797 / 2.7

Level  4 pH

11.3

11.5 Better [for emulsifying oils]

Acid

2.0 Better [for killing germs]

2.5

Level 4 at slower flowpH/ORP/rH*/Rating

11.4

11.6 Better [for emulsifying oils]

Acid @ slower flow-rate

2.0 Better [for killing germs]

2.5

Acid…from Miracle with acid hose flowing uphill

 

2.1 Better [for killing germs]

Note: St. Louis tap water today tested at 9.5 pH and +302 ORP.

Analysis of the Miracle’s Results: Levels 3 and 4 were fine for the Miracle were very good results for ORP, but the pH was high for drinking. At the drinking levels of pH for the Miracle I wasn’t able to get good ORP results. I actually repeated several tests of the Miracle on my own, for my own knowledge, worked with the Chanson technician extensively, and adjusted the settings to the maximum results for my water. I was still unable to get levels 1 and 2 of the Miracle to perform any better than this. Level 3 of the Miracle is close to the Tyent at level 3, although not quite as good of an ORP per unit of pH, and the Miracle’s good results at levels 3 and 4 made me believe that I could program the first two levels to perform better. Keep in mind that the St. Louis source water is a very high pH, so these results would most likely be much lower pH in your area. I say the Miracle at levels 1 and 2 wasn’t performing well, because it was not giving good stable medical quality negative ORP until it got up to about an 11 pH. [Again, consider the source water: in your area this may have been a 10 pH or lower] I tested this over and over on my own, and this is what I observed with all the tests. Most people at an 11 pH are using that for a de-greaser and not as their drinking level. Therefore the high ORP at that level is an indication of good electrolysis, but not useful information for ionized water drinking purposes for people with my source water. My earlier tests of the Chanson focused only on levels 3 and 4 in Laguna Hills, CA, http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/2009/11/17/chanson-water-ionizers-vs-the-melody-water-ionizer/ and so I really have nothing to compare these recent tests at levels 1 and 2 to. It’s possible I’m doing something wrong, and if I figure it out I will let you know.

How did the Tyent do? Well with the Tyent at level 2 you can see by the numbers in the chart above that you could drink at 10.4 pH and get a -755 ORP. And that’s with St. Louis source water! That’s great! Of course you would start out at the lower pH levels, but when you got up to this level you’d be all set with about the best ORP you could get for that level of pH.

This was part 3 of a series of water ionizer comparison tests that I am calling Water Ionizer Face-Off. So far I have compared…

Look for more water ionizer comparisons, as part of Alkaline Water Plus’s Water Ionizer Face-Off Competition, coming soon!

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* Background… Scientifically Comparing Water Ionizers: To scientifically compare water ionziers you need to understand the term, rH [relative Hydrogen], and how important it is to comparing water ionizers. You can’t always look at numbers and figure it out which one is the best ORP per unit of pH easily. Therefore it’s helpful to have a formula to help you do that. RH is simply a measure of negatively charged Hydrogen per unit of pH in your water.  The smaller the number [rH closer to zero], the better [healthier & more anti-oxidizing] the water is. On a scale from 0 to 42, above 28 is oxidizing (higher potential to damage the closer it gets to 40) and below 28 is reducing (anti-oxidizing)…the lower [closer to zero] the better. RH is the best measure of the healthiness of that ionized water.

The formula for rH is: rH = (ORP + 200) / 30 + 2 * pH 

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Alkaline Water Plus has a great water ionizer comparison competition planned for the next few weeks or months, which I am calling ”Water Ionizer Face-Off”. Water ionizers will compete with other water ionizers one-by-one. We’ll cycle through a variety of one-on-one water ionizer competitions so that each pair of water ionizers is eventually fully compared with each other. Hopefully the results will show a general idea of where each water ionizer stands in comparison with the others and this information will add to the general knowledge about these water ionizers. I won’t be testing water ionizers that I feel are poor in any way, which cuts out a lot of water ionizers. Just the fact that I’m including an ionizer in this competition means I think it’s a good and worthy water ionizer to begin with. 

Why do these water ionizer comparisons at all?

First of all, I think these water ionizer comparisons are necessary to real information to light and dispel myths, and there are many, regarding what makes a water ionizer a great one. Since I’ve been drinking and benefiting from ionized water for 18 years, I have unshakable knowledge about the benefits of drinking ionized water. My whole family has benefited right before my very eyes with a 5-plate water ionizer [which isn't even being made anymore....but is still working after all these years]. Since more recently [in the past few years] I’ve tried better water ionizers, I’m now sold on the health benefits of spending more to get the best water ionizer. However the best water ionizer is not the one that costs the most or has the biggest plates or most watts of power necessarily. There are many factors which go into the overall design and effectiveness of a water ionizer. I honestly think that the biggest factor in the success of a water ionizer is the overall engineering design of that water ionizer. I’m not swayed by myths though, because what I’m looking for is results. The overall design of a water ionizer can be actually tested to see the results, and that’s what I do and why I do it. The best water ionizer in my eyes is the one which will give you the best negative ORP per unit of pH [especially at the level I drink]. If two water ionizers are about the same in that respect, then I look at other things [such as filtration, self-cleaning system, warranty and appearance]…but that’s for another time. What I’m doing now is testing them for pH and ORP at their various levels and calculating the ORP per unit of pH. I’ve tested all of these water ionizers before, but am testing them again more slowly, and closely this time, looking at the quality of ionized water at each level.

Today is Day #1 of the Water Ionizer Face-Off Competition, and our water ionizer contestants are…

The Tyent Turbo vs. the Enagic LeveLuk SD 501 Water Ionizers!

Here are the videos for today’s water ionizer comparison face-off round between the Tyent Turbo and the Enagic SD 501, followed by a chart and commentary about the results.

 

Water Ionizer Face-Off: Tyent Turbo vs. Enagic Kangen Water

10/21/10 Turbo/Enagic1 Tyent Turbo Enagic
Level 1 pH/ORP/rH/Rating

8.8 /+150/ 29.27 Neither are good.

10.1 / -70/ 24.53  Neither are good.

Level 2

10.1 / -737 / 2.3 BETTER because the pH is more drinkable

11 / -809 /1.7

Level  3

10.8 / -800 /1.6 BETTER because the pH is more drinkable

11.2 / -822 /1.67

Level  4

11

11.5 Better for emulsifying oils

Acid

2.4

1.9 BETTER, but irrelevant. Both will equally kill germs.

Here are my comments about round one of the water ionizer face-off:

  • These results, above, are really close. Both of these water ionizers are strong and capable, as you can see, with the great ionization shown in the chart and video. But I’m going to call this in favor of the Tyent. The reason I’m saying Tyent wins, is that at Level 3 [Kangen water 9.5], which is the most popular level for drinking, both ORPs are fantastic, but the Tyent’s pH is more drinkable.
  • Also at Level 2 [another "most popular" drinking level] the Tyent has a lower, more drinkable, pH and a fantastic, negative ORP.
  • The acid water for both water ionizers is low enough to kill germs on contact. So even though the Enagic comes in better for acidity at their lowest acid level it is almost irrelevant. 2.4 pH kills on contact. You can’t kill germs any faster than that unless you’re going to kill them before you spray them with the acid water [joke].
  • Level 1 is not too good on either water ionizer.

There are more to water ionizers than just pH and ORP. ORP, however is very beneficial if you can get a high ORP per unit of pH. I have personally seen spider veins dissappear right before my very eyes when I switched to a better [high-ORP] water ionizer. For this reason I personally believe that ORP is a very important factor of ionized water and should be looked at in comparing water ionizers.

Background:

Scientifically Comparing Water Ionizers: To scientifically compare water ionziers you need to understand the term, rH [relative Hydrogen], and how important it is to comparing water ionizers. You can’t always look at numbers and figure it out which one is the best ORP per unit of pH easily. Therefore it’s helpful to have a formula to help you do that. RH is simply a measure of negatively charged Hydrogen per unit of pH in your water.  The smaller the number [closer to zero], the better [healthier & more anti-oxidizing] the water is. On a scale from 0 to 42, above 28 is oxidizing (higher potential to damage the closer it gets to 40) and below 28 is reducing (anti-oxidizing)…the lower [closer to zero] the better. RH is the best measure of the healthiness of that ionized water.

The formula for rH is: rH = (ORP + 200) / 30 + 2 * pH

This picture shows the meters used were calibrated with 7.01 and 10.01 scientific calibration solution.

Water Ionizer Meter CalibrationWater Ionizer Face-Off Meter Calibration

St. Louis Tap Water… 9.4 pH and +530 ORP.

St. Louis Tap Water

 

 


 

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The Tyent and Enagic water ionizers’ flow control issues can be a problem, but they’re not so hard to solve.

Several water ionizers have flow-control issues [e.g., Tyent, Jupiter Orion, KYK Generation II, & Genesis Platinum], but the Tyent and Enagic are being featured in this article. The PH and ORP of your ionized water are obviously important to you when you are drinking that ionized water. For several reasons it is very desirable to be able to fine-tune the water flow rate of your water ionizer. Why?

  • Some water ionizers will not give you desirable water flow rates if hooked directly to your plumbing, so they are typically thought to only be able to hook to a faucet with a diverter. The KYK and Enagic are good examples of this. If you hooked either of these directly to your plumbing the flow rate on the KYK would be 3 liters/min [which isn't so bad, but you wouldn't be able to get the better pH/ORP ranges that the KYK is known for.] The Enagic would come out at 6-8 liters/min. and your results would be much reduced from the Enagic’s capabilities.
  • New water ionizer owners want to gradually build up to higher levels of pH and ORP. An ability to finely control your water flow rate will help you to do that.
  • It’s nice to be able to just turn on the faucet and get your ionized water without thinking about the water flow rate, because you have already pre-set the flow rate. Using a simple device you can do that. The few seconds this saves you every time you pour your ionized water will add up to minutes and hours over time.
  • If you compare two water ionizers side-by-side, it is essential and crucial to the results to get those flow rates exactly the same.

When a water ionizer doesn’t come with a flow control knob, then most people think their only option is to rely on the faucet to control their water flow. Not so. Watch the following two videos to see what the use of a simple “Quick-Connect” water flow-rate valve can do for your water ionizer’s pH and ORP performance.

This intro video shows two kinds of Quick-Connect water flow rate valves.

 

The following videos show the pH and ORP of the Tyent Turbo and the Enagic ionized water at slow, medium and fast flow rates.

 

This chart shows Enagic and Tyent water ionizers’ performance at Level 3 [Kangen Water 9.5] at varying flow rates:
Water Ionizer Enagic SD 501 Tyent 7070 Turbo
Fast Flow Rate Test 1Test 2 10 pH / -340 ORP10.7 pH / -363 ORP 10.3  -603 ORP 
Medium Flow Rate 11 pH / -475 ORP 10.6 pH / -601 ORP
Slow Flow Rate 11.1 pH / -702 ORP 10.7 pH / -600 ORP
Fastest Flow Rate Possible [Full Flow for that Water Ionizer]  10.4 pH / -230 ORP  10.3 pH / -600 ORP

 

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Here are some interesting water ionizer comparisons that were all done about a year or so ago by Ronnie Ruiz. I’m re-posting this article, because it needed updating and in addition to that it contains important information for anyone considering to purchase a water ionizer. Ronnie states in his introduction to the video series that all of the water ionizers come out very similar in their numbers [i.e., pH & ORP] and I believe that’s true, too, with my own testing and with the testing I see here in Ronnie’s videos. I also agree with Ronnie that not all water ionizer companies are tried-and-true. So, just because a water ionizer gets good results in pH and ORP that shouldn’t be the only test of a good water ionizer. If you look at the bottom of this post you can find out more about the different water ionizer companies. 

 

In the following three videos and chart you can see comparisons between the Melody, Chanson VS 70 and the Enagic water ionizers. These are all clearly good water ionizers — doing the job that water ionizers should do.

 
 

 Comparing the Melody, Enagic and VS70 Water Ionizers

 

PH

ORP

Acid

rH

Melody

10.78

-750

4.5

3.23 ..3RD

Enagic@3800.

11.33

-786

2.49

3.12 ..2ND

Vs70

10.23

-748

3.03

2.19 ..1ST

Though I’ve indicated a 1st, 2nd and 3rd place in the chart above, really these are all good water ionizer results. Keep in mind that the ionized water drinking levels are not being tested here. The rH [Relative Hydrogen: Indicator of drinking water quality] is almost too close to call. On a scale of 0 to 42, an rH closest to 0 is the best. In the case of this test series that puts the VS70 as having a better drinking quality of water than the Enagic, but really the Melody, Enagic and VS70 are all exceptional in their drinking water quality. 

You can also see that the low-acid pH is very close between the Enagic and the VS70. The Melody’s low-acid is perfect for beauty water or watering plants, but I don’t know if it would kill germs. The Enagic and VS70 low-acid water would kill germs. The only thing with the Enagic, though, is that to get that low acid, you need to continually supply your ionizer with saline solution. That gets expensive, but then the Enagic is expensive, comparatively, anyway.

Ultimately, the stability of a water ionizer company can be seen in its certifications:

Which Water Ionizer Company has what Certificates? Here’s all the info! [This informatiion is gathered from the water ionizer US main distributors' websites and I have no personal knowledge other than what they claim]

  • KFDA: Korea Food & Drug Administration [GMP standards & authorization to manufacture and sell medical devises]: Jupiter, Ionquench, Tyent
  • Japanese Ministry of Health Authorization to manufacture & sell medical devises: Enagic
  • Additional Testing and Validation of Filter Quality: KTR [Korea Testing & Research Institute] filters tested for results: Jupiter
  • Additional Testing and Validation of Filter Quality: NSF [National Sanitation Foundation International certified the calcium used in filters as in compliance with standards]: Jupiter
  • ISO [International Organization for Standardization] 14001: Jupiter, Ionquench, Tyent, Enagic
  • ISO [International Organization for Standardization] 9001: All
  • CE [European Conformity]: Jupiter, Ionquench, Chanson, Tyent
  • NRTL/CSA [Canada]: KYK

Electrical Safety Certificates: 

  • UL-USA [Underwriters Laboratory]: Jupiter, Tyent
  • UL-Canada [Underwriters Laboratory]: Jupiter

Business Practices — Conformity to Standards:

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I have a series of videos that I’m going to share with you in this post…

Comparing the IonQuench Water Ionizer with the Athena and Tyent Turbo Water Ionizers.

Water Ionizer Comparison Results: The IonQuench did very well, especially since it is considerably less-priced than the other two water ionizers. Based on my testing, I feel very confident recommending this water ionizer to anyone looking for a good [yet inexpensive] water ionizer.

Testing Level 3 of the Ionized Water:

 

As you can see in the above video, the Athena at Level Three got a 10.7 pH and a -790 ORP; the Tyent Turbo water ionizer got a 10.8 pH and -792 ORP [practically twins with the Athena water ionizer] and the IonQuench got a 10.4 pH and a -720 ORP [not bad].

These are all very respectable water ionizer testing results!

The acid water from bottom spout of the Turbo was considerably better than the other two water ionizers though, 2.5 pH. So if you’re looking for that super low pH to kill germs, the Tyent Turbo is the best one for that.

Testing Level 4 of the Ionized Water [Highest Alkaline and Lowest Acid Settings]:

The next series of tests was for the extremes of highest alkaline and lowest acid settings. The three water ionizers were practically triplets in getting the highest alkaline water. This water is good for greese-cutting, emulsifying oily pestacides off of vegetables, and stain-removing. The Athena got up to an 11.2 pH and the IonQuench water ionizer and the Tyent Turbo water ionizer both got up to 11 pH. For the lowest acid setting, the best results were from the Tyent Turbo at 2.5 pH. The Athena came in second with 3.0 pH and the Ionquench got a 3.5 pH.

The above videos show that the IonQuench is a good water ionizer [giving great pH and ORP results], but the Tyent Turbo and the Athena water ionizers are both better. I would be confident to sell the IonQuench as a good reliable water ionizer to anyone looking for a good pH and ORP in a bargain priced water ionizer.

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Attention! anyone looking for a great water ionizer deal!

Tyent MMP 7070 water ionizers now come standard with full 10 year warranties, and…

Tyent Turbo Water Ionizers now have FULL PARTS AND LABOR LIFETIME WARRANTIES!

There are no strings attatched to these two great warranties! The Tyent company’s announcement follows:

Introducing the Tyent USA , LLC

“Forever Guarantee”

Tyent USA, LLC is proud to announce what now represents the strongest commitment to customer service in the entire water ionizer industry.  The longevity and reliability of our flagship products, the MMP-7070, and the all new MMP-7070 Turbo has allowed us to increase our warranty period for both products.

First, the MMP-7070 will now carry a standard 10 year warranty on parts and service.

Secondly, our MMP-7070 TURBO unit will now carry a standard Lifetime Warranty on parts and service.

Notice we do not use the term “limited” in our warranty!

It was important to Tyent USA to offer a warranty that had high value, and one that is not to be used as just marketing strategy with too many stipulations to have any value.  Because of this, our warranty contains no stipulations, no fine print, and no hassles.  There are no limitations with regards to hard water, or with regards to the amount of water that is produced by our machines.  Also, there are no requirements for how many filters you must purchase or how often you need to change your filters to keep your warranty valid.

 In fact, our entire warranty rules and regulations are listed in one short paragraph below.

All New Tyent USA, LLC Forever Guarantee

This Guarantee is applicable to all units purchased on or after January 15th, 2010

If our customers experience any performance issues with our cutting edge water ionizer systems, then we will fix or replace the unit (within a week in most cases).  Any damaged unit will be fixed, or replaced with a comparable unit at no cost to you (excluding shipping).  The only thing not covered under our warranty is accidental breakage that could be caused by dropping one of our units or damage caused from something of a similar nature.  Feel free to use our units in any type of water, and produce as much water as you wish.  Our advanced cleaning system, filtration, and power methods are the toughest and most advanced in the industry.

The terms above are in effect for 10 years on the MMP-7070 and forever on our MMP-7070 TURBO model.

Please take some time to compare our new warranty to our competitor’s warranties.  We know that we have the best warranty in the industry, and this if just one more way that Tyent USA, LLC is setting the standard while creating “Water for Wellness”

-Tyent USA-

Best Products!

Best Price!

Best Promise!

 

This makes the Tyent Turbo have the best warranty of all other water ionizers out there! This warranty covers parts….and labor too…for life! I just can’t imagine how they can do that, but I sure am happy they did!

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