Today I’m reporting on my water ionizer comparisons of the Tyent Turbo water ionizer vs. the Chanson Miracle water ionizer.

The Chanson Miracle water ionizer is the high-end of the Chanson water ionizer models, and as you can see here it performs well in levels 3 and 4. It also gets a good acid water pH. The Tyent Turbo water ionizer, however performed well at almost all levels [neither ionizer performed well at level 1] and showed a better ORP per unit of pH than the Chanson Miracle water ionizer [which I personally feel is important]. So, I believe Tyent is the clear winner in today’s Water Ionizer Face-Off competition.

Here are the videos, charts and commentaries:

 

10/27/10 Tyent/Miracle-1 Tyent Turbo Chanson Miracle
Level 1pH/ORP/rH*/Rating

9.5 /+32 / 26.73

10.2 /-69 / 24.77 Better but still not good.

Level 2pH/ORP/rH*/Rating

10.4 /-755 / 2.3 Much Better

10.6 /-171 /20.2

Level  3pH/ORP/rH*/Rating

11.2 /-814 / 1.93 Better

11.3 /-797 / 2.7

Level  4 pH

11.3

11.5 Better [for emulsifying oils]

Acid

2.0 Better [for killing germs]

2.5

Level 4 at slower flowpH/ORP/rH*/Rating

11.4

11.6 Better [for emulsifying oils]

Acid @ slower flow-rate

2.0 Better [for killing germs]

2.5

Acid…from Miracle with acid hose flowing uphill

 

2.1 Better [for killing germs]

Note: St. Louis tap water today tested at 9.5 pH and +302 ORP.

Analysis of the Miracle’s Results: Levels 3 and 4 were fine for the Miracle were very good results for ORP, but the pH was high for drinking. At the drinking levels of pH for the Miracle I wasn’t able to get good ORP results. I actually repeated several tests of the Miracle on my own, for my own knowledge, worked with the Chanson technician extensively, and adjusted the settings to the maximum results for my water. I was still unable to get levels 1 and 2 of the Miracle to perform any better than this. Level 3 of the Miracle is close to the Tyent at level 3, although not quite as good of an ORP per unit of pH, and the Miracle’s good results at levels 3 and 4 made me believe that I could program the first two levels to perform better. Keep in mind that the St. Louis source water is a very high pH, so these results would most likely be much lower pH in your area. I say the Miracle at levels 1 and 2 wasn’t performing well, because it was not giving good stable medical quality negative ORP until it got up to about an 11 pH. [Again, consider the source water: in your area this may have been a 10 pH or lower] I tested this over and over on my own, and this is what I observed with all the tests. Most people at an 11 pH are using that for a de-greaser and not as their drinking level. Therefore the high ORP at that level is an indication of good electrolysis, but not useful information for ionized water drinking purposes for people with my source water. My earlier tests of the Chanson focused only on levels 3 and 4 in Laguna Hills, CA, http://alkalinewaterplus.info/blog/2009/11/17/chanson-water-ionizers-vs-the-melody-water-ionizer/ and so I really have nothing to compare these recent tests at levels 1 and 2 to. It’s possible I’m doing something wrong, and if I figure it out I will let you know.

How did the Tyent do? Well with the Tyent at level 2 you can see by the numbers in the chart above that you could drink at 10.4 pH and get a -755 ORP. And that’s with St. Louis source water! That’s great! Of course you would start out at the lower pH levels, but when you got up to this level you’d be all set with about the best ORP you could get for that level of pH.

This was part 3 of a series of water ionizer comparison tests that I am calling Water Ionizer Face-Off. So far I have compared…

Look for more water ionizer comparisons, as part of Alkaline Water Plus’s Water Ionizer Face-Off Competition, coming soon!

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Sincerely,
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* Background… Scientifically Comparing Water Ionizers: To scientifically compare water ionziers you need to understand the term, rH [relative Hydrogen], and how important it is to comparing water ionizers. You can’t always look at numbers and figure it out which one is the best ORP per unit of pH easily. Therefore it’s helpful to have a formula to help you do that. RH is simply a measure of negatively charged Hydrogen per unit of pH in your water.  The smaller the number [rH closer to zero], the better [healthier & more anti-oxidizing] the water is. On a scale from 0 to 42, above 28 is oxidizing (higher potential to damage the closer it gets to 40) and below 28 is reducing (anti-oxidizing)…the lower [closer to zero] the better. RH is the best measure of the healthiness of that ionized water.

The formula for rH is: rH = (ORP + 200) / 30 + 2 * pH 

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I have a series of videos that I’m going to share with you in this post…

Comparing the IonQuench Water Ionizer with the Athena and Tyent Turbo Water Ionizers.

Water Ionizer Comparison Results: The IonQuench did very well, especially since it is considerably less-priced than the other two water ionizers. Based on my testing, I feel very confident recommending this water ionizer to anyone looking for a good [yet inexpensive] water ionizer.

Testing Level 3 of the Ionized Water:

 

As you can see in the above video, the Athena at Level Three got a 10.7 pH and a -790 ORP; the Tyent Turbo water ionizer got a 10.8 pH and -792 ORP [practically twins with the Athena water ionizer] and the IonQuench got a 10.4 pH and a -720 ORP [not bad].

These are all very respectable water ionizer testing results!

The acid water from bottom spout of the Turbo was considerably better than the other two water ionizers though, 2.5 pH. So if you’re looking for that super low pH to kill germs, the Tyent Turbo is the best one for that.

Testing Level 4 of the Ionized Water [Highest Alkaline and Lowest Acid Settings]:

The next series of tests was for the extremes of highest alkaline and lowest acid settings. The three water ionizers were practically triplets in getting the highest alkaline water. This water is good for greese-cutting, emulsifying oily pestacides off of vegetables, and stain-removing. The Athena got up to an 11.2 pH and the IonQuench water ionizer and the Tyent Turbo water ionizer both got up to 11 pH. For the lowest acid setting, the best results were from the Tyent Turbo at 2.5 pH. The Athena came in second with 3.0 pH and the Ionquench got a 3.5 pH.

The above videos show that the IonQuench is a good water ionizer [giving great pH and ORP results], but the Tyent Turbo and the Athena water ionizers are both better. I would be confident to sell the IonQuench as a good reliable water ionizer to anyone looking for a good pH and ORP in a bargain priced water ionizer.

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I’m finally able to…

Test and Compare the Athena Water Ionizer with Other Water Ionizers!

The Athena water ionizer has a tradition of winning in water ionizer comparison tests. However I have never tested it myself until today. Also to my knowledge the Athena water ionizer has never been tested against the Tyent Turbo water ionizer. So today I think I’m the first person showing publicly the testing of the Jupiter Athena water ionizer vs the Tyent Turbo! I thought it was important to test the Tyent water ionizer against the Athena first, because the Tyent Turbo has been up till now — the winner, in the ability to get the highest rH.

Previously the Tyent Turbo [in my own testing] has been also beating the KYK and the Melody in its ability to get the lowest acidity and the highest alkalinity ["the Extremes" ...as I call it]…although the KYK and Melody come close. I personally don’t care about the extremes, but some people do. They want the ability to get the lowest acid possible or the highest alkaline possible.

What I care about and think is the most important thing to look for in a water ionizer is the Level 3 “drinking water” rH. The rH is a measure of the “relative Hydrogen” of the ionized water and is showing you how high of an ORP is that ionizer able to give you relative to the pH level of the water tested. [see below for a more scientific explanation] The rH is better for you when the number is lower, or the closer to zero – the better [on a scale of 0 to 42].

This three-part series of videos starts at level 3 in the first video and then Level 4 for the Athena and the “Turbo Level” for the Tyent is demonstrated in videos 2 and 3. Here are the videos:

The following chart shows the pH, ORP, rH and acid output for the Athena water ionizer at Level 3/4 and the Tyent water ionizer at Level 3 and Turbo levels.

Tyent vs Athena Water Ionizer Comparisons

Water Ionizer & Level Tested

pH

ORP

rH

Acid Output

Tyent L3

11.40

-846

1.67

3.25

Athena L3

11.38

-855

1.33

3.55

Tyent Turbo

11.41

-847

1.65

3.28

Athena L4

11.35

-850

1.43

3.61

Another thing to consider in comparing water ionizers is the internal self-cleaning systems. The Athena’s self-cleaning is about three or four times better than the Tyent. It is all automatic and back-end [meaning that you never have to wait while your Athena water ionizer is doing a self-cleaning cycle. This is described in further detail in other blog posts, but the bottom line is that the self-cleaning system is a very important feature to look at in a water ionizer. Even the tiniest little film of calcium on the plates will cause a drop in the water ionizer's ability to put out a good pH and ORP. Therefore if you can keep the plates squeaky-clean you will get the best, healthiest water consistently for the life of your water ionizer!
Here is my analysis of todays water ionizer comparisons [as seen in the above videos and chart]:
The Athena beats the Tyent Turbo in…
  • rH [relative Hydrogen]…which is the overall healthiness of the alkaline ionized water, basically. However, the Athena and Tyent are very close and so the Athena didn’t beat by much.
  • the warranty — the Athena has a Lifetime warranty standard with every water ionizer purchase [you don't have to pay extra] vs the Tyent with a 20-year [plates] and 10-year extended warranty that you can purchase.
  • the price — the Athena costs $2095.00 and the Tyent Turbo [with 10-year extended warranty] costs $2495 + 195 = $2690.00.  [Keep in mind, though that you get some free gifts with the Tyent purchase worth about $300.00]…but even with the free gifts, the Athena still wins.

The Tyent Turbo beats the Athena in the following…

  • ability to produce the lower acid output at both levels 3 and Turbo-level. This is significant if what you want is a water ionizer that can do this. The acid water at the lowest setting for the Tyent is still not low enough [in this test] to kill germs — I don’t think. [I do plan to test this sometime]. What I have heard is that the acidity needs to be around 2.5 pH to kill germs [or at least under 3]…but I won’t know this for sure until I test it.
  • the ability to produce a higher alkalinity. This is only slightly higher though…almost equal. Both water ionizers appeared to be producing a high enough alkalinity to emulsify oils [which will be the subject of another test.

I will be testing the Athena against the Tyent, KYK, Melody and Enagic quite a bit in the next week or two...so stay tuned!

Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
Cathleen LoGrasso
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*pH means potential Hydrogen and is measured by a logarithmic [each unit is a multiple of 10 of the preceding unit] scale from 1 to 14. When a substance is below 7 on the scale it is said to be acidic. When it’s above 7 it’s said to be alkaline. The blood is around 7.35 and must stay in a very narrow range of slight alkalinity in order to sustain life.

*ORP means Oxygen Reduction Potential. It basically stands for the proportionate amount of negatively charged [H-] Hydrogen ions existing in a substance. The easiest way to look at is …it’s the anti-oxidant effect that that substance is cabable of giving your body when you drink it.

*rH is “relative Hydrogen”. This test calculation shows the actual health benefits of the water tested. Many now believe that this is the most important factor contributing to good health.  Note: To find rH one uses pH and ORP measurements plugged into a formula. The formula is:  rH = ((ORP + 200) / 30) + (2 * pH). On a scale from 0 to 42 above 28 oxidizing (higher potential to damage the closer it gets to 40) and below 28 is reducing (anti-oxidizing)…the lower the better.  

 

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More KYK Testing

Sep 11 · by Cathleen LoGrasso

I have recently posted several videos showing the testing of the KYK Genesis 7-Plate water ionizer vs the Tyent Turbo and this is the tail end of that testing. In the first video I test the KYK vs Turbo at level 3 and in the 2nd video I test both water ionizers at Level 4 [or in the case of the Tyent Turbo, it's called the Turbo level].

In the KYK the level 4 wattage goes up as high as 200 watts and in the Turbo it goes up to 280 watts. That’s a considerable difference in the highest wattage capacity and I wanted to see how much of a difference it made in the output of ionized water.

It should be noted that no water ionizer company recommends that drinking water should be at the highest alkaline levels as one would get at Level 4. The only real reason to want your water ionizer to output that high of an alkaline level is for cleaning greasy surfaces or soaking the oily pesticides off your vegetables.

That having been said, here are the videos:

Now, here’s the chart showing the water ionizer comparison results shown in the videos:

Water Ionizers & Tested Level

pH

ORP

rH

Acid Output

KYK Level 3

10.91

-820

1.15

3.81

Tyent Level 3

11.11

-847

0.65

3.27

KYK Level 4

11.19

-838

1.11

3.48

Tyent Level 4

11.39

-862

1.11

3.15

My evaluation is this:

In all of the testing I’ve done, the Tyent Turbo out performs the KYK Genesis water ionizer in:

  •  the ability to achieve the greatest pH [significant if you want to soak pesticides off of your vegetables],
  • the ability to achieve the lowest acidity output [from the bottom hose]. This is significant if you want to disinfect for germs.
  • The Tyent Turbo is also in the better rH at level 3. Both water ionizers are equal in rH at level 4, however the rH at level 4 is not applicable [because rH refers to the drinking water healthiness -- and you don't drink ionized water at level 4].

I hope that all makes sense! One further comment is that both water ionizers are very close in comparison to each other. I don’t think the differences are very significant. The Tyent got better results in my various series of comparison tests, but did not win by much. It should also be noted that the cost of the Tyent Turbo is now $2495.00, and the cost of the KYK Genesis 7-Plate is now $1695.00. I always look at cost when I make my water ionizer comparisons. It is something to consider.

Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
Cathleen LoGrasso
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*pH means potential Hydrogen and is measured by a logarithmic [each unit is a multiple of 10 of the preceding unit] scale from 1 to 14. When a substance is below 7 on the scale it is said to be acidic. When it’s above 7 it’s said to be alkaline. The blood is around 7.35 and must stay in a very narrow range of slight alkalinity in order to sustain life.

 *ORP means Oxygen Reduction Potential. It basically stands for the proportionate amount of negatively charged Hydrogen ions [H-] existing in a substance. The easiest way to look at is …it’s the anti-oxidant effect that that substance is cabable of giving your body when you drink it.

*rH is “relative Hydrogen”. This test calculation shows the actual health benefits of the water tested. Many now believe that this is the most important factor contributing to good health.  Note: To find rH one uses pH and ORP measurements plugged into a formula. The formula is:  rH = ((ORP + 200) / 30) + (2 * pH). On a scale from 0 to 42 above 28 oxidizing (higher potential to damage the closer it gets to 40) and below 28 is reducing (anti-oxidizing)…the lower the better.  

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I’ve been comparing the KYK and Tyent water ionizers in my home in St. Louis, but I had the opportunity to take these two water ionizers with me on a trip last week so was able to compare them in South Carolina [Hilton Head Island area] which has a much different source water.

The tap water in St. Louis is a pH of 10 and ORP of +350 [usually] and the tap water in South Carolina at my dad’s house was 7.76 pH and +412 ORP. The differences between these two source waters were so great that I was very curious…

Would my KYK and Tyent Water Ionizers do as well in So. Carolina as in St. Louis? and…

How would the KYK and Tyent Water Ionizers compare with each other using the South Carolina source water?

Here are the videos and the chart of water ionizer comparisons:

Water Ionizers Compared

KYK & Tyent Turbo

in South Carolina

KYK & Tyent Water Ionizers

@Levels 1, 2, 3 & 4

pH

ORP

rH

KYK@L-1

9.83

-702

2.93

Tyent@L-1

9.54

-698

2.48

KYK@L-2

10.36

-777

1.49

Tyent@L-2

10.51

-811

0.65

KYK@L-3

10.79

-816

1.05

Tyent@L-3

11.15

-855

0.47

KYK@L-4

11.06

-836

N/A 0.92

Tyent@Turbo Level

11.28

-859

N/A 0.59

KYK@Lowest Acidity Level

3.34

N/A

N/A

Tyent@Lowest Acidity Level

3.09

N/A

N/A

South Carolina [Hilton Head Area] Tap Water

 

7.76

 

+412

 

35.92

 

My analysis of this is:

The Tyent and KYK are practically identical, however the Tyent Turbo at every level was a tiny bit better than the KYK Genesis 7 Plate.

Other Notes:

  • They both performed fantastically! I was so impressed, especially since the source water was so much different than St. Louis!
  • The KYK required more button-pushing to operate.
  • They both shut off for cleaning [causing me to wait while they cleaned themselves] — not too much time was spent on this though.
  • They both went into auto self-cleaning when I turned on the power supply.
Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
Cathleen LoGrasso
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The Tyent 7070 water ionizer now comes in a Turbo, which is great for getting that lowest acid pH!

I’ve heard and tested [seen for myself] that the Tyent 7070 Turbo water ionizer gets a great high pH and ORP, and now I’ve tested and seen for myself that the Tyent Turbo gets a fantastic low acidity as well. Here’s the video:

Why Would You Want a Water Ionizer to have a Low Acid Output?

The reason you might want water ionizers to be able to create the lowest acidity possible is because you can use that lowest acid water for soaking infected [rashes or infections] body parts, as a mouth wash, watering plants and cleaning around the house. Not everyone cares about the lowest or highest settings a water ionizer can put out, because lots of people are mostly concerned with the main purpose of a water ionizer [which is for alkaline ionized drinking water]. But if you do care about this, here are the results. Plus it’s just nice to know.

Wow! Tyent Turbo 7070 Lowest Acid Level [St. Louis] = 3.04pH!

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Sincerely,
Cathleen LoGrasso
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