Water ionizers filter out a lot of bad things, and some water ionizers have better filters than others. But no water ionizer by itself will filter out every bad thing you might have in your source water. Here are some things that a water ionizer may not filter out:

Bacteria: The Life water ionizer, with it’s UV light, promises to kill the bacteria if it comes through. However I haven’t seen proof as of yet that this does as it claims to do. Also, the UV light only lasts for 5 years and then needs to be replaced. That’s the best case scenario that I have seen so far for handling bacteria. The second best thing I’ve seen to handle bacteria is the Bacteria Filter. This costs $59.95 and requires an additional one-time expense of $49.95 for the pre-filter housing. This would have to be replaced yearly. Other than this, you could always just treat your water. The usual treatment is with Chlorine, which is easy to filter out with any water ionizer filter. Also, coming soon on the Alkaline Water Plus website, look for a UV light simple in-line add on system that costs under $200. start up costs plus the light needs to be replaced yearly for about $60.00. I will be offering this very soon!

Hydrogen Sulfides: This is a poisonous sulfer toxin that can enter a well system unpredictably. You may have no sign of it one day and after a heavy rain all of a sudden have it in your well water! The sign for this is a smell of “rotten eggs”. The only way right at this time to get rid of this is a special sulphur prefilter, which costs $69.00 and has to be replaced about yearly. [Please note: you would also need a pre-filter housing, which is a one-time cost of $49.95.]

Iron: This is a metal that in large amounts can harm your water ionizer. It’s probably not great for your health either [because it's not organic]. The signs for it is a yellow color to your water. It’s caused by old cast-iron pipes rusting and leaching into your water. Usually you find this situation in older communities or buildings with older plumbing systems that haven’t been renovated. You can get an Iron Prefilter for %59.99.

Sand and Sediment: Your ionizer filters will filter out sand and sediment, but these things can clog up your water ionizer filter and cause it to become less effective prematurely. If your source water has a lot of sand or sediment in it, you are wise to get a sediment prefilter. The filter cost is about $50.00 and should be replaced ~yearly.

Fluoride: Two water ionizer companies have now added filter media to their filters to filter out Fluoride [Jupiter Biostone Plus filter and the KYK filter]. Fluoride is usually added to municipal water and has been linked to Altzheimers, learning disabilities and other health hazards…and is the subject of much debate. If you need or want Fluoride removed from your water and don’t have the two filters mentioned, you can get a Fluoride prefilter for about $35.00 [plus housing is needed].

Lead: This is found in older homes and communities and is a source of “lead poisoning” so needs to be handled for health reasons, but lead also could harm your water ionizer by interfering with the electrolysis [due to the fact that it's a magnetic metal]. If you have lead in your source water, you should use the Fluoride/Lead/Arsenic prefilter, which is about $35.00 [plus housing is needed].

Heavy Metals: If you have radium in your water or other heavy metals, you can purchase a Heavy Metal prefilter for $79.95 [plus housing is needed].

Chloramine: If your water ionizer doesn’t filter chloramine [chlorine + amonia] which is now the disinfectant of choice for many municipalities, then you can purchase a Chloramine prefilter for 79.95 [plus housing is needed].

Is Your Water too Hard? If you don’t want to filter out the calcium in your source water, but it’s too hard and is potentially damaging your water ionizer [or reducing the pH/ORP] due to scaling, then the best thing you can use is an Elimination of Scaling Device. Second to that I suggest the Ionizer Armor. If you need or want to filter out some of the excess calcium, then you can get a Scale-Block Prefilter.

Too many prefilters needed? If you really want to get everything out of your water and start fresh with only the right organic plant-source minerals and trace minerals for perfect water ionization, then I recommend the Reverse-Osmosis-with-Remineralizer System that was designed by IonLife water experts especially for use with water ionizers. It’s only $375.00 & includes the tank and everything! I have one and I think it’s fantastic!Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
Cathleen LoGrasso
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The Enagic Company grew out of a specialty trade company (branch of Sony) and began making water ionizers in 1988. It developed the water ionizer it now uses in its US trade, the Enagic LeveLuk SD501, in Sept. of 2004.

So, what’s wrong with Enagic?

The Enagic Company’s US Branch has a B- Better Business Bureau rating This is not so great [B-], however I see why this rating exists.

The Enagic company does not have a Satisfaction Guarantee. If you try their water ionizer and decide it isn’t any better than the Tyent or Athena water ionizer that’s too bad. If you return it after using it even once you’ll have to pay an $800.00 restocking fee.

Enagic is also a cutthroat MLM company that claims fame for all the good that water ionizers have done for people over these past 40+ years. Enagic MLMers are encouraged to engage in sharing rumors that have been told to them by leaders in the company and then passed on to the trusting people who don’t know any better. No other company is like this. Really! I think it’s amazing they haven’t been sued royally by now!

But what’s really, really wrong with Enagic is the lies!

Lie # 1…Enagic reps state that Enagic is the only water ionizer manufacturer certified to make and sell their water ionizers as medical devices. The truth is that many other water ionizer manufacturers have authorization and certification from their respective countries to manufacture and sell medical devices. The main standard that has been set for a water ionizer to qualify as a medical device used in the home is the ability to get greater than -300 ORP [which all of the water ionizers I sell can do]. By the way, the US AMA has not recognized water ionizers yet as a medical device. The lie in all this is that Enagic claims to be the only water ionizer that has this certification and recognition. This is totally false. You can see the certificates for each company below. I’ve included all the certificates held by every water ionizer company I represent to show that Enagic is simply average in this area. I’ve also included links to prove what I’m saying about the Better Business Bureau Ratings. Just from my own observation I can tell you that most water ionizer companies have better business practices than Enagic…but this offers further proof of that. 

 Which Water Ionizer Company has what Certificates? Here’s all the info!

Certificates Related to Manufacturing Practices Showing Conformity to Standards Set for the Manufacture of Medical Devices & Other Health Related Certificates [Note: The devices are certified by the country they are mainly manufactured in]:

  • KFDA: Korea Food & Drug Administration [GMP standards & authorization to manufacture and sell medical devises]: Jupiter, Life, Tyent
  • Japanese Ministry of Health Authorization to manufacture & sell medical devises: Enagic
  • Additional Testing and Validation of Filter Quality: KTR [Korea Testing & Research Institute] filters tested for results: Jupiter
  • Additional Testing and Validation of Filter Quality: NSF [National Sanitation Foundation International certified the calcium used in filters as in compliance with standards]: Jupiter
  • ISO [International Organization for Standardization] 14001: Jupiter, Life, KYK, Tyent, Enagic
  • ISO [International Organization for Standardization] 9001: Jupiter, Life, KYK, Chanson, Tyent, Enagic
  • CE [European Conformity]: Jupiter, Life, KYK, Chanson, Tyent
  • NRTL/CSA [Canada]: KYK
  • American Holistic Health Association: Life
  • 2009 Physicians’ Desk Reference® for Nonprescription Drugs: Life

Electrical Safety Certificates: 

  • UL-USA [Underwriters Laboratory]: Jupiter, Life
  • UL-Canada [Underwriters Laboratory]: Jupiter, Life
  • CB: International Electro technical Commission: Tyent
  • Electrical Appliances Safety Certification of Korea: KYK

Business Practices — Conformity to Standards:

Lie #2: Enagic cutthroat reps [not all Enagic reps -- just the cutthroat ones] are stating that Jupiter doesn’t honor their warranty if you have hard water. The true fact is that you are supposed to care for your water ionizer no matter what make or model it is, and the industry standard is to request customers to use measures to protect their water ionizer if they live in a hard water area. If you don’t care for your water ionizer well, and this is discovered, you will receive a warning that you have to use an EOS device or other acceptable anti-scaling device or your water ionizer warranty will be invalid. All of my companies try to work with the customer, not against them, and giving fair warning is one very professional way of doing that. Here are some hard-water devices you could use to eliminate problems with hard water scaling. 

  • EOS [Elimination of Scaling Device] is good for about 2-3 years and keeps your ionizer free of scale even in hardest water. It doesn’t add or take away anything from your water, instead as the water tumbles through the ceramics and other materials in the device it sculpts the calcium — smoothing it out mechanically — so that it is still calcium, but won’t stick to the insides of your water ionizer.
  • Scale-Block Pre-Filter is good for about a year and filters out calcium  [which is the cause of hard water scaling]
  • Ionizer Magnet lasts for life [about] and magnetizes the hard water elements making them repell from the walls of the tubes and plates in your water ionizer.

Lie # 3:  Another cutthroat lie I’ve heard is that “other water ionizer” plates are made in an unsafe way of coating large sheets of titanium with platinum and then cutting them [which would make the edges uncoated and not protected with the platinum...and subject to corrosion and leaching of metal into the water]. This is totally false for all the water ionizers I sell. I can’t speak for every water ionizer ever made, but I know the Jupiter, Life, KYK, Tyent, and Chanson water ionizer companies all use the industry safety standards of coating already cut plates and then coating them with platinum, baking, coating again, baking and so forth. If one of these companies years ago followed some other method, I don’t know. But today [at least for the past 2 years] these water ionizer companies all follow these standards.

Lie #4:  Another lie I’ve heard is that no other water ionizer gives the health benefits and magical healing powers that the Enagic gives. This is totally false. Even 40 years ago with the crudest of water ionizers, there were fantastic benefits being had by people drinking ionized water. Many of those water ionizers aren’t even sold anymore. The water ionizers being manufactured today are far better than those were and people from all over are reporting benefits ranging from cancer cures to allergy relief and diabetes regulation benefits. The list of benefits reported is immense and these claims are coming from people drinking ionized water from many brands and models of water ionizer.

Lie #5: Enagic claims that because it has the largest plate size it is the best water ionizer. This sounds like it should be true — they probably do have to use more Platinum…which could account for some of that extra charge, but the testing and comparing of all of the water ionizers does not show the Enagic to be making better water…so something must be wrong with the design. Electrolysis requires electricity to go through the plates, perhaps if they’re too large it defeats the purpose and actually gives worse electrolysis. Enagic reps tend to stay away from water ionizer comparison testing, however I’m lucky enough to have an honest friend who doesn’t mind if Enagic doesn’t come out the best…this is hard to do, because Enagic just doesn’t come out the best. The better water ionizer will get more negative of an ORP per unit of pH for the healthiest water. Enagic doesn’t get that in all the tests I’ve seen and done.

Lie # 6: Enagic claims that it has more disolved Hydrogen [making it healthier water] in their ionized water and they “prove” this by showing you tiny bubbles in their water that make the water look cloudy. I’ve seen some water ionizers that have produced this cloudy-bubbly-looking water and they haven’t all been Enagics. I’ve also seen Enagics not producing this cloudy-bubbly-looking water. This is not unique to Enagic, first of all. Secondly, the Hydrogen in the water …what they’re talking about is OH- [hydroxyl ions], and these are healthy for you, but it’s not necessarily going to be seen as cloudy water or tiny bubbles. You cannot measure OH- with your eyes. You can measure ORP with a meter and compare it in a ratio to the pH value of the water to find out proportionally how healthy the water is. This is called “finding the relative Hydrogen [rH] of the water”. I’ve done this with every water ionizer comparison I’ve done, and have not seen Enagic to be consistently better in its relative Hydrogen. Usually the best water ionizer for its relative Hydrogen is the Jupiter Athena water ionizer. See my Water Ionizer Comparisons page for more about this.

Enagic focuses these lies against other water ionizer companies as part of their publicity campaign. There are many more lies, but I hope you get the point. Smear tactics are not good business practice, especially if you’re stating lies [which there are so many of]. I would caution Enagic reps [most of whom are simply trying to sell, but ignorant of the real facts] to question everything told to them verbally on the weekly conference calls. Reps should ask for the statements to be put in writing [and see what happens]. Every statement about another water ionizer company should be accompanied with plenty of proof and should be written. Sometimes the “proof” is a lie, so if it’s written and a lie there is a greater chance of being sued. That’s why I say it should be written.  

But here’s the main thing I want to say bad about Enagic and then I’ll get off my soapbox.

Enagic Reps Don’t Need to Focus on the BAD like that. There is so much good to be found about all the water ionizers I sell! I am amazed that Enagic higher-ups would even spend a second on these kinds of mud-slinging tactics. It took me a year of hearing these viscious, cutthroat, rumors to finally start fighting back. At first I thought it was a fluke. Then I’d hear the same story over and over, and so I’d know it was being promulgated somewhere. And, the sad thing is these lies are said with such authority and sincerity that many, many good people can’t help but believe them.

What’s the Good about Enagic?

The good about Enagic is the exact same thing that is the FANTASTIC GOOD about all the water ionizers I sell. Here’s some of it. Most water ionizer companies:

 
 

 

 

  • have multitudes of certificates and awards
  • have their water ionizers in hospitals and clinics and their water ionizers are used as medical devices in the home as well
  • are certified to manufacture & sell quality medical equipment
  • use safe practices in manufacturing the plates, filters, water ionizers
  • make good water ionizers.
  • have claim to lots of testamonials

 

 

Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
Cathleen LoGrasso
Blog-Master
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It is rare that you will ever see the Enagic water ionizer in a comparison water ionizer test. Most Enagic dealers are reluctant to even want to see comparison testing. So I feel priveledged to bring these videos to you.

We tested and compared the Enagic SD 501, the Melody, the Athena, the Tyent Turbo, & the KYK Genesis 7-Plate water ionizers!

Throughout this testing there was an overall trend toward the…

Enagic not having the best quality of drinking water, but having a better ability to get the highest/lowest pH for non-drinking water [used for cleaning]. 

*See below for a good explanation of how the best quality of drinking water  for water ionizers is determined. 

I couldn’t test them all at once, so I split the testing up into two groups of three water ionizers. Each group was focused on testing two water ionizers against the Enagic [since I don't often get a chance to test the Enagic, I wanted to make sure all four of my water ionizers had a chance to be tested with the Enagic].

Group 1: The Enagic water ionizer, the Tyent Turbo water ionizer and the KYK water ionizer.
Group 2: The Enagic water ionizer, the Athena water ionizer, and the Melody water ionizer.

I’ve highlighted in red the winning water ionizer score from each group of tests. Please note: You can’t very well compare a water ionizer from group 1 to group 2, unfortunately, because of too many variables, but if you look at the Enagic as the focal point you can get an idea of how they compare. 

Comparing the Enagic, Athena, Melody, Tyent & KYK Water Ionizers

 

Level 3 – Drinking Water

 


 

 


 

 

Group 1: the Enagic, Tyent & KYK @ Level 3 or Kangen Water 9.5

Water Ionizer / Level

pH

ORP

rH

Enagic Level 3

8.25

-516

5.97

Tyent Level 3

11.05

-701

5.4

KYK Level 3

10.23

-573

8.03

 

Group 2: the Enagic, Athena & Melody @ Level 3 or Kangen Water 9.5

Water Ionizer / Level

pH

ORP

rH

Enagic Level 3

8.79

-480

8.25

Athena Level 3

10.71

-673

5.65

Melody Level 3

10.35

-535

9.93

 

Level 3 – Drinking Water [Cathie’s Analysis]: In the above video and chart for Ionized Water at Level 3 it can be seen that the winner for healthiest [rH] drinking water [ionized water at Level 3 for Group 1 is the Tyent, and for Group 2 it’s the Athena. The 11.05 pH, however, is probably too high to drink for most people.

 

 

Level  4 – The Extremes

 


 

 


 

 


 

 

Group 1: Enagic, Tyent & KYK @ Level 4 or Strongest Level

Water Ionizer / Level

pH

Alkaline

Acid Output

Enagic Level 4

10.28

3.15

Tyent Level 4

10.52

4.18

KYK Level 4

10.22

3.95

 

Group 2: Enagic, Athena & Melody Level 4 or Strongest Level

Water Ionizer / Level

pH

Alkaline

Acid Output

Enagic Level 4

11.14

2.93

Athena Level 4

10.73

7.11

Melody Level 4

10.62

6.98

 

Level 4: You can see in the above video and charts that the Enagic for these tests is getting the  “Low Acid”  in both videos and the Enagic gets the “High Alkaline” in the 2nd video [with the Tyent beating the Enagic in Highest Alkaline in the 1st video]

 

 

Level 2 – Drinking Water

 


 

 

Group 1: Enagic, Tyent & KYK Level 2 or Kangen Water 9.0

Water Ionizer / Level

pH

ORP

rH

Enagic Level 2

9.87

-124

22.27

Tyent Level 2

9.73

-230

20

KYK Level 2

9.43

-100

22.19

 

Group 2: Athena & Melody Level 2 or Kangen Water 9.0

Water Ionizer / Level

pH

ORP

rH

Enagic Level 2

10.36

-767

2.22

Athena Level 2

10.44

-799

0.91

Melody Level 2

10.23

-758

1.86

 

Level 2: Please Note: Unfortunately the battery ran out at the end, so we tested Group 1 on Levels 2 and 1 off-video and have the results here. We were using a faster flow rate. As the testing went on, the Enagic would not accept slow flow rates and the voice would tell us to increase the flow rate. We increased it for the three we were testing at the time. You can see that flow rate makes a big difference in the outcome of the testing, and because of that we really can’t compare the ionizers using one flow rate with the ones using another. This is a good example of how tricky this testing is!

 

In this group of tests the Tyent wins for best rH in Group 1 and the Athena wins for Group 2’s best rH at drinking water Level 2

 

 

Level 1 – Intro-Level Water



 

Group 1: Enagic, Tyent & KYK Level 1 or Kangen Water 8.5

Water Ionizer / Level

pH

ORP

rH

Enagic Level 1

9.46

-100

22.25

Tyent Level 1

9.22

+20

25.77

KYK Level 1

9.66

-100

22.65

 

Group 2: Enagic, Athena & Melody Level 1 or Kangen Water 8.5

Water Ionizer / Level

pH

ORP

rH

Enagic Level 1

10.04

-716

2.88

Athena Level 1

10.05

-748

1.83

Melody Level 1

9.89

~-600

6.45

Level 1: Please Note: Unfortunately the battery ran out at the end, so we tested Group 1 on Levels 2 and 1 off-video and have the results here. We were using a faster flow rate. As the testing went on, the Enagic would not accept slow flow rates and the voice would tell us to increase the flow rate. We increased it for the three we were testing at the time. You can see that flow rate makes a big difference in the outcome of the testing, and because of that we really can’t compare the ionizers using one flow rate with the ones using another. This is a good example of how tricky this testing is!

 

In this group of tests, the Enagic wins for best rH in Group 1 and the Athena wins for Group 2’s best rH at drinking water level 1.

 

One Day Later:

After 20 hours: After 20 hours of storing the Level 3 ionized water from Group 1 [above] the following videos were done. This video shows how all of the water ionizers lost a great deal of ORP in just 20 hours.

 



    Group 1: Enagic, Tyent & KYK

[Level 3 Stored/Refrigerated for 20 Hours]

Water Ionizer / Level

pH

ORP

rH

Enagic Level 1

8.45

+219

31.47

Tyent Level 1

11.23

-73

26.69 

KYK Level 1

10.39

-100

24.51 

[Reference to video, above] How did you like that container I showed you at the end of that last video? I think I might start selling those on my website…they’re so cool!

If you have ever heard that Enagic, Kangen Water, stores better or longer than the other ionized water, I’d say this video debunks that.  

Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
Cathleen LoGrasso
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Note: These water ionizer comparison tests were conducted in St. Peters, MO, which has a tap water which is 8.46 pH and +195 ORP
*The rH of a solution is based on a formula applied to the pH and ORP to arrive at the relation between the level of ORP to the level of pH. It is the best measure of the healthiness of that ionized water. I always consider the rH to be the most important measure to look at in any water ionizer comparison test.

  • Here’s an example: if you have two water ionizers producing water at a pH of 9.5, and one has an ORP of -300 and the other has an ORP of -400, then the one with -400 is producing water at a healthier overall quality. Most people testing water ionizers don’t get the exact same pH readings for all the water ionizers tested. So the rH formula is necessary to really see which water ionizer is producing the healthier water. The formula is a very simple one, and anyone comparing water ionizers should look at the rH of the water at the drinking water levels if they are trying to figure out which water ionizer is best. Because ORP is a very tricky measure to get and ORP meters can vary from test to test [depending on how well or frequently they're cleaned, source water and other factors] it’s important to only compare the ORP or rH of water ionizers tested in one setting by the same tester. RH is measured on a scale of 0 to 42, with 0 being the healthiest and 42 the unhealthiest. Tap water in St. Louis is usually around 30 – 35 rH. Any water under 28 rH is considered “reducing” and so is healthy for you.
  • “The relative hydrogen scale was first proposed by Clark in 1923 to the scientific community (mostly inorganic chemists) as a means of measuring the true reducing power of hydrogen present in an aqueous solution…”* Go to this website to see this article and get a more thorough and scientific explanation of rH: http://h-minus-ion.vpinf.com/rH-score-1.html

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In the following videos and chart I am comparing the Athena and Melody water ionizers. These water ionizers are both Jupiter water ionizers.

Jupiter is a well-known brand name for medical-grade water ionizers that you can trust for their quality and dependability.

The Jupiter Athena water ionizer is the high-end Jupiter model which has DARC cleaning [best internal self-cleaning of all of the water ionizers], mesh plates and dual filtration, and sells for $2095.00 verses the Melody water ionizer [the moderately priced Jupiter water ionizer, which cleans itself great, is electro-plated [solid plates which are platinum-coated with peaks and groves for greater surface area for better electrolysis], and sells for $1395.00]. The Melody often comes very close in water ionizer  comparison tests, so I think it’s a great choice for anyone on a budget. The Lifetime Warranty makes either of these water ionizers an even sweeter deal!

Athena vs Melody Water Ionizer Comparisons

Water Ionizer / Level

pH

ORP

rH

Acid

Athena L3

11.54

-650

8.08

 

Melody L3

11.52

-550

11.37

 

Athena L4

11.77

-680

7.54

4.08

Melody L4

11.75

-605

10

3.65

Athena L2

11.41

-746

4.62

Melody L2

11.52

-578

10.44

 

Athena L1

10.93

-472

12.79

 

Melody L1

11.16

-482

12.92

 

Athena Purified

10.64

-93

26.84

 

Melody Purified

10.57

-145

23.77

 

STL Tap Water

10.5

+200

34.33

 

Here’s my analysis: It looks like the Athena beats the Melody in every level for rH [water drinking healthiness per level of pH], but the Melody is testing very good.  They are both producing very healthy water! I don’t think you could go wrong with purchacing either of these water ionizers.

The healthiness of the water is measured a few ways. I’ll explain:

The aging body tends to become more and more acidic as life goes on [especially if we eat junk food or have an acidic diet over a period of years]. For this reason, we need water which is alkaline, so we can replenish our buffers to ward against the tendancy toward acidity. Otherwise our cells have no way of getting rid of their toxins. So pH is a factor in the healthiness of water.

  • Water ionizers produce a high alkaline pH. Even the water ionizer I purchased 17 years ago produced a nice high pH. Of course you don’t need the extremely high pH [that some water ionizers produce] for drinking purposes. Drinking water at a moderately high pH can help alkalize your body and get rid of the acidic wastes that have built up in your cells. 
  • Oxidation is also a factor in the health of one’s body. Like a cut apple that turns brown, our cells tend to become over oxidized. I don’t know if the cells turn brown or not, but damage of one kind or another [commonly referred to as free-radical damage] happens when the cells are oxidized. To combat the body’s tendancy toward free-radical damage, theoretically, one would consume antioxidants. A way to test the antioxidant quality of a liquid is to measure its ORP [Oxidation Reduction Potential]. The more negative the ORP, the better. Any ORP with a greater negativity than -300 is considered “medical grade” ORP.
    • My personal experience with drinking water that has a high negative ORP [between -300 and -600] is that things like wrinkles and spider veins reduce when you drink water that has a higher negative ORP. I’m sure that the ORP is good for other things as well; basically anything that you would take antioxidants for would benefit from the consumption of water with a high negative ORP. 
  • The rH [relative Hydrogen] of a solution is based on a formula applied to the pH and ORP to arrive at the relation between the level of ORP to the level of pH. It is the best measure of the healthiness of that ionized water. I always consider the rH to be the most important measure to look at in any water ionizer comparison test.
    • Here’s an example: if you have two water ionizers producing water at a pH of 9.5, and one has an ORP of -300 and the other has an ORP of -400, then the one with -400 is producing water at a healthier overall quality. Most people testing water ionizers don’t get the exact same pH readings for all the water ionizers tested. So the rH formula is necessary to really see which water ionizer is producing the healthier water. The formula is a very simple one, and anyone comparing water ionizers should look at the rH of the water at the drinking water levels if they are trying to figure out which water ionizer is best. Because ORP is a very tricky measure to get and ORP meters can vary from test to test [depending on how well or frequently they're cleaned, source water and other factors] it’s important to only compare the ORP or rH of water ionizers tested in one setting by the same tester. RH is measured on a scale of 0 to 42, with 0 being the healthiest and 42 the unhealthiest. Tap water in St. Louis is usually around 30 – 35 rH. Any water under 28 rH is considered “reducing” and so is healthy for you.
    • “The relative hydrogen scale was first proposed by Clark in 1923 to the scientific community (mostly inorganic chemists) as a means of measuring the true reducing power of hydrogen present in an aqueous solution…”*  Go to this website to see this article and get a more thorough and scientific explanation of rH: http://h-minus-ion.vpinf.com/rH-score-1.html

Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
Cathleen LoGrasso
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I’m finally able to…

Test and Compare the Athena Water Ionizer with Other Water Ionizers!

The Athena water ionizer has a tradition of winning in water ionizer comparison tests. However I have never tested it myself until today. Also to my knowledge the Athena water ionizer has never been tested against the Tyent Turbo water ionizer. So today I think I’m the first person showing publicly the testing of the Jupiter Athena water ionizer vs the Tyent Turbo! I thought it was important to test the Tyent water ionizer against the Athena first, because the Tyent Turbo has been up till now — the winner, in the ability to get the highest rH.

Previously the Tyent Turbo [in my own testing] has been also beating the KYK and the Melody in its ability to get the lowest acidity and the highest alkalinity ["the Extremes" ...as I call it]…although the KYK and Melody come close. I personally don’t care about the extremes, but some people do. They want the ability to get the lowest acid possible or the highest alkaline possible.

What I care about and think is the most important thing to look for in a water ionizer is the Level 3 “drinking water” rH. The rH is a measure of the “relative Hydrogen” of the ionized water and is showing you how high of an ORP is that ionizer able to give you relative to the pH level of the water tested. [see below for a more scientific explanation] The rH is better for you when the number is lower, or the closer to zero – the better [on a scale of 0 to 42].

This three-part series of videos starts at level 3 in the first video and then Level 4 for the Athena and the “Turbo Level” for the Tyent is demonstrated in videos 2 and 3. Here are the videos:

The following chart shows the pH, ORP, rH and acid output for the Athena water ionizer at Level 3/4 and the Tyent water ionizer at Level 3 and Turbo levels.

Tyent vs Athena Water Ionizer Comparisons

Water Ionizer & Level Tested

pH

ORP

rH

Acid Output

Tyent L3

11.40

-846

1.67

3.25

Athena L3

11.38

-855

1.33

3.55

Tyent Turbo

11.41

-847

1.65

3.28

Athena L4

11.35

-850

1.43

3.61

Another thing to consider in comparing water ionizers is the internal self-cleaning systems. The Athena’s self-cleaning is about three or four times better than the Tyent. It is all automatic and back-end [meaning that you never have to wait while your Athena water ionizer is doing a self-cleaning cycle. This is described in further detail in other blog posts, but the bottom line is that the self-cleaning system is a very important feature to look at in a water ionizer. Even the tiniest little film of calcium on the plates will cause a drop in the water ionizer's ability to put out a good pH and ORP. Therefore if you can keep the plates squeaky-clean you will get the best, healthiest water consistently for the life of your water ionizer!
Here is my analysis of todays water ionizer comparisons [as seen in the above videos and chart]:
The Athena beats the Tyent Turbo in…
  • rH [relative Hydrogen]…which is the overall healthiness of the alkaline ionized water, basically. However, the Athena and Tyent are very close and so the Athena didn’t beat by much.
  • the warranty — the Athena has a Lifetime warranty standard with every water ionizer purchase [you don't have to pay extra] vs the Tyent with a 20-year [plates] and 10-year extended warranty that you can purchase.
  • the price — the Athena costs $2095.00 and the Tyent Turbo [with 10-year extended warranty] costs $2495 + 195 = $2690.00.  [Keep in mind, though that you get some free gifts with the Tyent purchase worth about $300.00]…but even with the free gifts, the Athena still wins.

The Tyent Turbo beats the Athena in the following…

  • ability to produce the lower acid output at both levels 3 and Turbo-level. This is significant if what you want is a water ionizer that can do this. The acid water at the lowest setting for the Tyent is still not low enough [in this test] to kill germs — I don’t think. [I do plan to test this sometime]. What I have heard is that the acidity needs to be around 2.5 pH to kill germs [or at least under 3]…but I won’t know this for sure until I test it.
  • the ability to produce a higher alkalinity. This is only slightly higher though…almost equal. Both water ionizers appeared to be producing a high enough alkalinity to emulsify oils [which will be the subject of another test.

I will be testing the Athena against the Tyent, KYK, Melody and Enagic quite a bit in the next week or two...so stay tuned!

Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
Cathleen LoGrasso
Blog-Master
*pH means potential Hydrogen and is measured by a logarithmic [each unit is a multiple of 10 of the preceding unit] scale from 1 to 14. When a substance is below 7 on the scale it is said to be acidic. When it’s above 7 it’s said to be alkaline. The blood is around 7.35 and must stay in a very narrow range of slight alkalinity in order to sustain life.

*ORP means Oxygen Reduction Potential. It basically stands for the proportionate amount of negatively charged [H-] Hydrogen ions existing in a substance. The easiest way to look at is …it’s the anti-oxidant effect that that substance is cabable of giving your body when you drink it.

*rH is “relative Hydrogen”. This test calculation shows the actual health benefits of the water tested. Many now believe that this is the most important factor contributing to good health.  Note: To find rH one uses pH and ORP measurements plugged into a formula. The formula is:  rH = ((ORP + 200) / 30) + (2 * pH). On a scale from 0 to 42 above 28 oxidizing (higher potential to damage the closer it gets to 40) and below 28 is reducing (anti-oxidizing)…the lower the better.  

 

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More KYK Testing

Sep 11 · by Cathleen LoGrasso

I have recently posted several videos showing the testing of the KYK Genesis 7-Plate water ionizer vs the Tyent Turbo and this is the tail end of that testing. In the first video I test the KYK vs Turbo at level 3 and in the 2nd video I test both water ionizers at Level 4 [or in the case of the Tyent Turbo, it's called the Turbo level].

In the KYK the level 4 wattage goes up as high as 200 watts and in the Turbo it goes up to 280 watts. That’s a considerable difference in the highest wattage capacity and I wanted to see how much of a difference it made in the output of ionized water.

It should be noted that no water ionizer company recommends that drinking water should be at the highest alkaline levels as one would get at Level 4. The only real reason to want your water ionizer to output that high of an alkaline level is for cleaning greasy surfaces or soaking the oily pesticides off your vegetables.

That having been said, here are the videos:

Now, here’s the chart showing the water ionizer comparison results shown in the videos:

Water Ionizers & Tested Level

pH

ORP

rH

Acid Output

KYK Level 3

10.91

-820

1.15

3.81

Tyent Level 3

11.11

-847

0.65

3.27

KYK Level 4

11.19

-838

1.11

3.48

Tyent Level 4

11.39

-862

1.11

3.15

My evaluation is this:

In all of the testing I’ve done, the Tyent Turbo out performs the KYK Genesis water ionizer in:

  •  the ability to achieve the greatest pH [significant if you want to soak pesticides off of your vegetables],
  • the ability to achieve the lowest acidity output [from the bottom hose]. This is significant if you want to disinfect for germs.
  • The Tyent Turbo is also in the better rH at level 3. Both water ionizers are equal in rH at level 4, however the rH at level 4 is not applicable [because rH refers to the drinking water healthiness -- and you don't drink ionized water at level 4].

I hope that all makes sense! One further comment is that both water ionizers are very close in comparison to each other. I don’t think the differences are very significant. The Tyent got better results in my various series of comparison tests, but did not win by much. It should also be noted that the cost of the Tyent Turbo is now $2495.00, and the cost of the KYK Genesis 7-Plate is now $1695.00. I always look at cost when I make my water ionizer comparisons. It is something to consider.

Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
Cathleen LoGrasso
Blog-Master

*pH means potential Hydrogen and is measured by a logarithmic [each unit is a multiple of 10 of the preceding unit] scale from 1 to 14. When a substance is below 7 on the scale it is said to be acidic. When it’s above 7 it’s said to be alkaline. The blood is around 7.35 and must stay in a very narrow range of slight alkalinity in order to sustain life.

 *ORP means Oxygen Reduction Potential. It basically stands for the proportionate amount of negatively charged Hydrogen ions [H-] existing in a substance. The easiest way to look at is …it’s the anti-oxidant effect that that substance is cabable of giving your body when you drink it.

*rH is “relative Hydrogen”. This test calculation shows the actual health benefits of the water tested. Many now believe that this is the most important factor contributing to good health.  Note: To find rH one uses pH and ORP measurements plugged into a formula. The formula is:  rH = ((ORP + 200) / 30) + (2 * pH). On a scale from 0 to 42 above 28 oxidizing (higher potential to damage the closer it gets to 40) and below 28 is reducing (anti-oxidizing)…the lower the better.  

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When you freeze ionized water, what does that process do to the ionized water?

Taking ionized water directly from a water ionizer and pouring it into ice cube trays, and then freezing it…will your pH and ORP from ionization cancel out, reduce, or stay the same? And if so, how much?

In these videos, I demonstrate filling ice cube trays with ionized water from Level 3 of my Tyent 7070 water ionizer at 11.25 pH and -853 ORP.  When the cubes were frozen, they were removed, placed in a cup and allowed to thaw out.

The 2nd video shows the testing of the water after thawing out.

As you can see in the videos, the fresh ionized water taken directly from the water ionizer had a high pH and ORP, yet, when frozen and thawed, the pH reduced from 11.25 to 9.96 [still alkaline, but greatly reduced.] The ORP was even more drastic of a reduction. It went from -853 to +102 [a 955 point rise!].

Conclusion: The product of frozen ionized water is still filtered water, still alkaline even though greatly reduced, and has changed vectors to a positive ORP. Therefore…

If you’re making ice, go ahead and use your strongest alkaline setting! Also… ice is far less healthy for you than fresh ionized water straight from the water ionizer.

Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
Cathleen LoGrasso
Blog-Master

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I’ve been comparing the KYK and Tyent water ionizers in my home in St. Louis, but I had the opportunity to take these two water ionizers with me on a trip last week so was able to compare them in South Carolina [Hilton Head Island area] which has a much different source water.

The tap water in St. Louis is a pH of 10 and ORP of +350 [usually] and the tap water in South Carolina at my dad’s house was 7.76 pH and +412 ORP. The differences between these two source waters were so great that I was very curious…

Would my KYK and Tyent Water Ionizers do as well in So. Carolina as in St. Louis? and…

How would the KYK and Tyent Water Ionizers compare with each other using the South Carolina source water?

Here are the videos and the chart of water ionizer comparisons:

Water Ionizers Compared

KYK & Tyent Turbo

in South Carolina

KYK & Tyent Water Ionizers

@Levels 1, 2, 3 & 4

pH

ORP

rH

KYK@L-1

9.83

-702

2.93

Tyent@L-1

9.54

-698

2.48

KYK@L-2

10.36

-777

1.49

Tyent@L-2

10.51

-811

0.65

KYK@L-3

10.79

-816

1.05

Tyent@L-3

11.15

-855

0.47

KYK@L-4

11.06

-836

N/A 0.92

Tyent@Turbo Level

11.28

-859

N/A 0.59

KYK@Lowest Acidity Level

3.34

N/A

N/A

Tyent@Lowest Acidity Level

3.09

N/A

N/A

South Carolina [Hilton Head Area] Tap Water

 

7.76

 

+412

 

35.92

 

My analysis of this is:

The Tyent and KYK are practically identical, however the Tyent Turbo at every level was a tiny bit better than the KYK Genesis 7 Plate.

Other Notes:

  • They both performed fantastically! I was so impressed, especially since the source water was so much different than St. Louis!
  • The KYK required more button-pushing to operate.
  • They both shut off for cleaning [causing me to wait while they cleaned themselves] — not too much time was spent on this though.
  • They both went into auto self-cleaning when I turned on the power supply.
Wishing You Water Wellness!
Sincerely,
Cathleen LoGrasso
Blog-Master

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