I poured ionized water from a Jupiter Melody water ionizer into one glass container one day ago and at the same time poured tap water in another glass container and in it put a Hydrogen Stick. Now, one day later I’m demonstrating the testing of the water in both containers. The ionized water tested originally at 11 pH and -245 ORP and now one day later tests at 10.61 pH and -225 ORP. The tap water originally tested at 10.1 pH and +145 ORP and now after a full day of soaking with the Hydrogen stick it is testing at 10.25 pH and -77 ORP. The conclusion is that the Hydrogen stick does work a little to add Hydrogen to the water, but it must be soaked for a long time [such as a full day] to get a nice -77 ORP. Whereas the ionized water from a reputable ionizer, such as the Jupiter Melody can produce fantastic -245 ORP water (instant results over 3 times better than the Hydrogen Stick which soaked for a full day). The conclusion is that there is no comparison.
The benefits of the alkaline ionized water is too far superior to the Hydrogen Stick to even compare.
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Sincerely,
Cathleen LoGrasso
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First let me say that I am not in this business, I am just a consumer that is very interested in the effective use of any and all of this technology.
I have a Jupiter Orion and I also use the Hydrogen Sticks – (2 per 1.5L).
The best situation is to drink and use the water straight from the Orion. However, I drive around in the course of my work and need a portable solution. The sticks help optimize my portable solution. It is useful.
Understandably, a business person wants to promote what they are selling and avoid promoting a competing item that they are not selling.
One other thing I would submit, I have the same or similar meter as shown in the video – (Hanna 98121), and I just think that yours must be out of calibration. (Tap water at pH 10.1!) I am not certain but I have read somewhere that municipal water sources are required by law to be somewhere around neutral (pH 7). Unless, you have source water from one of the many fine natural springs in MO, I must conclude, and many people would intuitively conclude that your meter is not calibrated correctly.
My concern with my alkaline/negative ORP water is primarily the natural movement of the negative ORP towards the positive side. (It’s physics) The sticks prevent this occurance and therefore have beneficial utility.
Let me conclude by encouraging you to terminate this particular marketing campaign – “Don’t buy the Hydrogen Stick” unless, of course, you are only using it to drive uninformed traffic. The market for these products, if they are anything like me, a buyer, don’t remain ignorant very long.
Wayne,
Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I’ll address each of your concerns here:
1. Anti-Hydrogen Stick Campaign: Actually I have no campaign against the Hydrogen Stick. I have four things I don’t like about it, but I’ve stated in several places that it does do some good [just not enough]. The 4 things I don’t like are…its cost, the fact that it does so little to change the water [and they claim so much], the fact that they don’t have a satisfaction guarantee, and the fact that they seem to put down water ionizers, which are tried & true and used in hospitals and very well proven to assist in bringing a person’s body into the right pH range and also providing negative ORP (antioxidant) affect as well.
2. My pH and ORP meter. My meter does work fine and the fact that St. Louis water tests at a 10 pH is not that unusual. I called our water company and they verified that the pH range of the water coming to my home (Fenton, Missouri) is 9.6 – 10.1. You can call them if you like: Missouri American Water 1-866-430-0820.
3. I certainly understand the concern you have of your alkaline/negative ORP water changing (towards neutral) over time. That’s exactly what I think it’s good for. The problem is that the Hydrogen Stick people claim to be able to everything the water ionizer does for your water and that claim I have found to be false. It does do something. And if you have the money to spend on it — go for it. My tests have shown that with ionized water, after 5 to 8 hours (a typical work-day) not much reduction of the pH and ORP had occurred anyway, so I don’t see it as being of much use to me. But, I’ve been drinking ionized water for 16 years and I have no health concerns. I also don’t use the highest setting for pH/ORP that my water ionizer has available. My body doesn’t need it. For someone who is ill or otherwise just simply wants to make sure they get every single last benefit, they may want to spend the extra money on the stick. I have no problem with that at all, and agree with you that it’s nice to have for that reason [but not to replace a water ionizer--not even close].
I’ve read your arguments about the benefit of a machine over the stick but all the info I read about the stick talk about the benefits of the hydrogen levels of the water. While the info states that a high ph an neg orp are good it’s not as good as hydrgenated water. Your arguments don’t mention and you don’t test for what the water sticks claim make them more beneficial than the machines. Btw, just FYI, I’m not sold on either solution. I’m still looking for a better comparison.
Actually I do the appropriate tests and calculations. I’ve done them several times, and the Hydrogen stick is not nearly as good as a water ionizer in the following ways: pH, ORP, rH [this is the relative Hydrogen], filtration, microclustering and length of time to ionize. It’s not practicle to ask someone to wait hours while the stick steeps in the water. It’s not cheap either. I would need probably 6 sticks every 6 months…and still wouldn’t be even close to the quality I have with an ionizer. That’s why I don’t carry the H-Stick on my site.
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Hello,
First let me say that I am not in this business, I am just a consumer that is very interested in the effective use of any and all of this technology.
I have a Jupiter Orion and I also use the Hydrogen Sticks – (2 per 1.5L).
The best situation is to drink and use the water straight from the Orion. However, I drive around in the course of my work and need a portable solution. The sticks help optimize my portable solution. It is useful.
Understandably, a business person wants to promote what they are selling and avoid promoting a competing item that they are not selling.
One other thing I would submit, I have the same or similar meter as shown in the video – (Hanna 98121), and I just think that yours must be out of calibration. (Tap water at pH 10.1!) I am not certain but I have read somewhere that municipal water sources are required by law to be somewhere around neutral (pH 7). Unless, you have source water from one of the many fine natural springs in MO, I must conclude, and many people would intuitively conclude that your meter is not calibrated correctly.
My concern with my alkaline/negative ORP water is primarily the natural movement of the negative ORP towards the positive side. (It’s physics) The sticks prevent this occurance and therefore have beneficial utility.
Let me conclude by encouraging you to terminate this particular marketing campaign – “Don’t buy the Hydrogen Stick” unless, of course, you are only using it to drive uninformed traffic. The market for these products, if they are anything like me, a buyer, don’t remain ignorant very long.
Wayne
Wayne,
Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I’ll address each of your concerns here:
1. Anti-Hydrogen Stick Campaign: Actually I have no campaign against the Hydrogen Stick. I have four things I don’t like about it, but I’ve stated in several places that it does do some good [just not enough]. The 4 things I don’t like are…its cost, the fact that it does so little to change the water [and they claim so much], the fact that they don’t have a satisfaction guarantee, and the fact that they seem to put down water ionizers, which are tried & true and used in hospitals and very well proven to assist in bringing a person’s body into the right pH range and also providing negative ORP (antioxidant) affect as well.
2. My pH and ORP meter. My meter does work fine and the fact that St. Louis water tests at a 10 pH is not that unusual. I called our water company and they verified that the pH range of the water coming to my home (Fenton, Missouri) is 9.6 – 10.1. You can call them if you like: Missouri American Water 1-866-430-0820.
3. I certainly understand the concern you have of your alkaline/negative ORP water changing (towards neutral) over time. That’s exactly what I think it’s good for. The problem is that the Hydrogen Stick people claim to be able to everything the water ionizer does for your water and that claim I have found to be false. It does do something. And if you have the money to spend on it — go for it. My tests have shown that with ionized water, after 5 to 8 hours (a typical work-day) not much reduction of the pH and ORP had occurred anyway, so I don’t see it as being of much use to me. But, I’ve been drinking ionized water for 16 years and I have no health concerns. I also don’t use the highest setting for pH/ORP that my water ionizer has available. My body doesn’t need it. For someone who is ill or otherwise just simply wants to make sure they get every single last benefit, they may want to spend the extra money on the stick. I have no problem with that at all, and agree with you that it’s nice to have for that reason [but not to replace a water ionizer--not even close].
I am interested in knowing what brand of hydrogen stick you used and if, in your opinion, they are all relatively the same.
Also, I would like to know what the cost of your water ionizer is?
Hydrogen Friends. I’m sure they’re all about the same. You can check out the prices by clicking the “store” button, above.
I’ve read your arguments about the benefit of a machine over the stick but all the info I read about the stick talk about the benefits of the hydrogen levels of the water. While the info states that a high ph an neg orp are good it’s not as good as hydrgenated water. Your arguments don’t mention and you don’t test for what the water sticks claim make them more beneficial than the machines. Btw, just FYI, I’m not sold on either solution. I’m still looking for a better comparison.
Actually I do the appropriate tests and calculations. I’ve done them several times, and the Hydrogen stick is not nearly as good as a water ionizer in the following ways: pH, ORP, rH [this is the relative Hydrogen], filtration, microclustering and length of time to ionize. It’s not practicle to ask someone to wait hours while the stick steeps in the water. It’s not cheap either. I would need probably 6 sticks every 6 months…and still wouldn’t be even close to the quality I have with an ionizer. That’s why I don’t carry the H-Stick on my site.